Name that dogman/dog

[infinity]

http://www.riospitbull.com/MayfieldStocktonsswig.jpg
Who can figure out The dogman and dog in this painting?

[smith family kennels]

come on guys you can get this
this is a famous painting

[CASH]

To me the guy in the picture looks like jonny cash.

[smith family kennels]

lmao naw i dont think johnny cash was a dog man

[CASH]

I dont either.. but tell me that doesnt look a lil like johnny cash. Is it Howard Heinzl?

[smith family kennels]

no its not

[Leon]

I am terrible with names, i barely know many of my co workers names. But i have definitely seen that guy in some picture before, not this exact painting though. But i think my best guess is that is Don Mayfield.

[infinity]

I am terrible with names, i barely know many of my co workers names. But i have definitely seen that guy in some picture before, not this exact painting though. But i think my best guess is that is Don Mayfield.

Yup your right Its Don Mayfield now how about the dog lol.

[Leon]

It should be swig.

[infinity]

Don Mayfield and Stockton's Swig

[infinity]

http://www.riospitbull.com/CorvinoCorvinoGimp.jpg
How about this one?

[Leon]

Joe Corvino and Corvino's Gimp.

Name the dog and the dogman
http://i29.tinypic.com/2dtn7si.jpg

[kumhomomma]

Leon red X baby

[Leon]

It should be fixed.

[pitbullgirl]

Nope still can't see nothin

[Leon]

How about now lol? third time.

[kumhomomma]

FIXED and i have NO clue

[infinity]

Me ether im stumped but the dog has a bad ass collar for how long ago the pic must of been taken. Ill research and see if i can get it before some one else does lol.

[CASH]

I have never seen that picture before, I like the painting, Has the artist done any other pictures of dogmen?

[CASH]

im stumped

[kumhomomma]

it looks like a old picture not really a painting..

[infinity]

Im pretty sure he is talking about the pic i posted the first one.

[kumhomomma]

yeah i figured that out ABOUT the time i posted it.You should leave them up and who they are

[CASH]

not internet savy. I can download music and find porn. Thats about it
I do like the old black and white pictures of pit bulls.

[kumhomomma]

not internet savy. I can download music and find porn. Thats about it
I do like the old black and white pictures of pit bulls.

Ill see what i can find you in dogs..and porn if you ask nicely..lMAO BTW I LOVE the blue nose cold thing..

[bstmafia]

I wanna say earl tudor when he was younger dont know who the dog is though

[Leon]

Yup, you got it, it is Earl Tudor.

[bstmafia]

does anybody know the dog im clueless?

[Leon]

The dogs name is Bucky.

[infinity]

Ok ill give it another go.
http://www.riospitbull.com/Carver2.jpg
Who is this dogman & dog?

[smith family kennels]

nice.............

[smith family kennels]

its carver and the dogs name is redneck lmao i knew the person but of coarse i had to go look up the dog

[Leon]

Who is the guy on the right holding the dog?

http://i29.tinypic.com/2d6saxv.jpg

[smith family kennels]

don maloney

tudor is beside him

dog is greenwood's strider

[infinity]

Allright now you post one up SFK :tongues:

[smith family kennels]

ok lmfao Name this dog man And if you Can Name the dog you get brownie points cause I have no clue

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp41/smithfamilypitbulls/bobneblett.jpg

[NATE]

hehe and nooooo it not tudor
and i not sure what dog it is i got an ideal but not sure

[smith family kennels]

is it to hard? I meant for it to be a challenge but I was hoping someone would know

[Leon]

Bob Neblett, and the dog i have no clue. lol. No brownies for me.

[smith family kennels]

lmao nope no brownies for you Good Job

[Leon]

I looked him up, not much info about him or his dogs compared to the other dogmen.

[smith family kennels]

No there is not alot about him. A couple of his dogs names are Nebletts Congo and Nebletts little cookie which were related to Heinzl.s Ch Peter and Jim Lyman's Ch Patty He is the producer of the McCoy dogs. Bob Neblett crossed Hemphill and other OFRN blood with Colby to produce the McCoy line of dogs Bob was born Robert Neblett in November 9,1895 and died June 1980.

The dog Greenwood's strider in the picture before this one was sired by Neblett's Beans McCoy Here is a link to his pedigree.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=16081

his most famous dog probably being GrCh Beartrap McCoy(5xw).

[infinity]

http://infinity888.com/modules/My_Uploads/user_folders/test/Convention1.jpg
How many Dogmen can you name in this photo?

[CHATNJACK]

These should be easy. How many can you get right and who can get them right first? Hummm ???

#1.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/002.jpg

#2.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/004.jpg

#3.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/005.jpg

#4.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/006.jpg

(Part 1 of a two part CONTEST)... and yes the Winner will get a PRIZE !

Good Luck Everyone!
CHATNJACK

[Leon]

How many Dogmen can you name in this photo?

Floyd Bordeaux, Don Maloney, Earl Tudor, and Maurice Carver. Thats all i know.

[smith family kennels]

aww damn yall had to break out the dogs on me

[smith family kennels]

# 1 is carver's buster
# 4 is colby's dime

[smith family kennels]

http://infinity888.com/modules/My_Uploads/user_folders/test/Convention1.jpg
How many Dogmen can you name in this photo?

top: Leo Kinard, Maurice Carver, Bert Clouse Earl Tudor, Bob Hemphill, Bob Wallace,George Saddler.
Down; Floyd Boudreaux, Rob Lewis, Don Maloney and Scotty Nelson.

[infinity]

top: Leo Kinard, Maurice Carver, Bert Clouse Earl Tudor, Bob Hemphill, Bob Wallace,George Saddler.
Down; Floyd Boudreaux, Rob Lewis, Don Maloney and Scotty Nelson.

Dang your to good at this lol. I like Bob Hemphill.

[smith family kennels]

yeah im stuck on two of the dogs though that picture is one of my favorites by the way. I am really bad at dogs it takes me alittle while there are to many that look alike and I dont have a photo graphic memory on dogs

[smith family kennels]

i think im going to stop playing unless its dogs so that other people get a chance lol.

[smith family kennels]

and i am heading to play some music for the evening maybe someone else can get the other two dogs

[smith family kennels]

ok guys i can't get the other two dogs what was the prize lmao

[CHATNJACK]

These should be easy. How many can you get right and who can get them right first? Hummm ???

#1.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/002.jpg

#2.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/004.jpg

#3.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/005.jpg

#4.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/006.jpg

(Part 1 of a two part CONTEST)... and yes the Winner will get a PRIZE !

Good Luck Everyone!
CHATNJACK

Ok guys & gals, I thought this would be easy. No? Humm??? smith family kennels #4 is indeed "Colby's Dime", now can you name the child in the photo for bonus points? I'm still waiting for someone to get #1, #2 and #3 right. Come on Dan and give it a try, I think you'll like the prize! 1 more day and then I'll close part 1 of the contest and start part 2.

CHATNJACK

[Leon]

1# Loposay's "buster" ROM.

#2 has me completely stumped, too many black dogs that look exactly like him. I could throw out 10 guesses lol. Ill go with a few guesses. Adams Zebo? Patrick's Billy boy bob? Snakeman's Pedro?

The kid in the photo is Bill Colby.

[smith family kennels]

:pawww leon you had to beat me to it

[smith family kennels]

number two has me stummed as well I was thinking maybe rebel's shady lady but I know thats not right.

and number three I have seen before but cant think of the dogs name for crap

[Leon]

Well, i am counting on you to get #2, the black dog lol. Too many identical looking dogs. It seems like every dog man had at least one dog that looks like that one.

[smith family kennels]

number three clark's tramp looks a little small to be but im just guessing now lol

[Leon]

The only thing i can guess on #3 is, that the dog is wearing a colbyesque Harness. So i tried looking into Colby dogs, but no luck.

[smith family kennels]

and # 1 is actually shivar's loposay's buster he was bred by carver my bad

[smith family kennels]

yeah alot of them whore those harnesses clarks' tramp was bred by colby thats why i picked him but I dont think thats right. Dog looks alittle to small to be tramp

[smith family kennels]

hhaha ok
# 3 is colby's pansy 3xw

[smith family kennels]

that leaves # 2 lmfao
the one that looks like to many dogs

[infinity]

Is #2
GARNER'S CHINAMAN (4XW) (http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=26)

[smith family kennels]

doesnt look like chinaman to me looks more like garner's el negro to me

[Leon]

I thought about Chinaman...because of their similar Muzzle.

[infinity]

It was the ears and muzzle that made me guess Chinaman.

[smith family kennels]

http://tom-garner-kennels.com/stud-dogs-current/el-negro.html

her is el negro chinaman is on there too

[smith family kennels]

ok chatnjack give us a hint on #2 or something

[CHATNJACK]

ok chatnjack give us a hint on #2 or something

These should be easy. How many can you get right and who can get them right first? Hummm ???

#1.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/002.jpg

#2.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/004.jpg

#3.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/005.jpg

#4.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/006.jpg

(Part 1 of a two part CONTEST)... and yes the Winner will get a PRIZE !

Good Luck Everyone!
CHATNJACK

#1. is "Loposay's Buster" ROM. Most ADBA papers today show him as (Shivar's "Loposay's" Buster) however John Shivar never actually owned Buster. J.R. Loposay purchased Buster from Maurice Carver who lived Texas. John Shivar, who worked for an airline company and was able to travel and ship for free made a deal with J.R. Loposay that in exchange for shipping Buster he could use him for stud on 2 of his (Shivar's) best bitches that were due to come in to heat. John Shivar flew to Texas and took Buster back to his house in Flordia, and then bred him to every bitch he had and could put his hands on. Less that a month after having Buster on his yard, John Shivar died. Long story short and to not give away to much information in my book, after learning of John Shivar's death J.R. Loposay called Mrs. Shivar to make arrangements to pick up Buster however Mrs. Shivar "DID NOT" want to rightfully hand over Buster to Mr. Loposay and after refusing to ship Buster back to North Carolina she abruptly hung up the phone. Mr. Loposay and his daughter P. Loposay got in their car that night and drove straight through to Flordia, knocked on Mrs. Shivar's door the next morning and took Buster back home to Sanford, North Carolina. J.R. Loposay died less than 1 month later and most all of the breedings ever done with Buster even though on paper it shows J.R. Loposay as the breeder, Patsy Loposay actually desirves the credit. Patsy Loposay bred "Mark's Midnight" the Dam (mother) of Ch. Mountain Mans Homer (4XW) ROM and Loposay's Sundance POR who if had not of been stolen most oldtimers say would have surpassed Jeep's record on the ROM list as a producer. Buster's "ORIGINAL ADBA REGISTRATION PAPERS" show his name as "Loposay's Buster". I have a copy of them given to me by Patsy Loposay and I have held the original in my own two hands. When I sent in "Molly's" ( http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=260324 ) registration they came back showing Buster as Shivar's "Loposay's' Buster. Knowing the truth, I called Patty Greenwood at the ADBA who then talked to her mom to get the original paper work and story straight and as I already knew Patty then sent me Molly's corrected 7 generation pedigree showing Buster as "LOPOSAY'S BUSTER". Where the confusion on Buster's name comes or came in is when Mrs. Shivar sent in registraion papers on the litters that John Shivar bred while he was alive using Buster as a stud, they (the ADBA) registered him as Shivar's Buster. There's more to the story but, you'll have to read about it in my book! LOL (P.S. I have ton's of never before seen photo's of Buster, a drawing of him by Maurice Carver and his last collar of which all photo's will be included in the book, plus many more photo's and history of the Loposay bloodline.

#2. is Gr. Ch. Rebel Kennel Sampson (5XW) and won "Best of Show" in all 5 show's. Beat several Champion's on his way to his Gr. Ch. title. Said by Ricky Jones said to be one of the best dogs he ever put his hands on.

#3. is Colby's Panzy

#4. is Colby's Dime and the little boy sitting on the dog house is none other than Louis B. Colby.

[infinity]

dang i was no were near close on #2

[CHATNJACK]

dang i was no were near close on #2

LOL, I really didn't think it would stump folks like it did infinity.


smith family kennels is the "WINNER" of PART 1 of the contest so, congradulations smith family kennels! As your prize you can either pick a signed 8X10 reprint of "Tant's Gr. Ch. Yellow ROM" or an 8X10 (pictured below) that I'll sign and personalize if you want of my "Turner's Blue Razor Blade" R.I.P., the first blue dog in the history of the ADBA to ever win "Best Puppy" under Judge Joe Daly, "Best of Show" under Judge Mike Ellis and win an ADBA Nationals under Judge Amy Greenwood Buford. I'll also include a 4X6 of the whole picture of the one below that Blade was cropped out of that shows Kate Greenwood, my wife, myself, Blade and his ADBA throphy back in 2004 signed and personalized. I have never offered this pictured before however it will be included in my book. Your choice.

Congrads again smith family kennels!
CHATNJACK



http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/PIC0113.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/001.jpg

[CHATNJACK]

P.S.

Here's another partial shot of Blade's 2004 National photo minus the full body shots (cropped for privacy reasons). This photo (the full photo) was in the ADBA Gazette.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/BLADENATS04.jpg

[infinity]

Man thats awsome jack. SFK is at a dog show this weekend but im sure she will be exited i know i would.

LOL yeah you did floor us but I think it was better that way. I dont like em to easy if you know what i mean.

Are you still going to do a part 2?

[CHATNJACK]

Are you still going to do a part 2?

Yea. Just give me a day or two to dig something out, maybe even later today or tonight if I get a chance.

[smith family kennels]

hey i wasnt far off from # 2 when i went into the rebel I knew the kennel set ups looked the same I just couldn't find the dog. Thanks chatnjack very challenging i like that hehe


hmmm which do i chose

[NATE]

P.S.

Here's another partial shot of Blade's 2004 National photo minus the full body shots (cropped for privacy reasons). This photo (the full photo) was in the ADBA Gazette.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/BLADENATS04.jpg

what gaztte was it in we have them back till 98 i think spring 05 ?

[CHATNJACK]

hey i wasnt far off from # 2 when i went into the rebel I knew the kennel set ups looked the same I just couldn't find the dog. Thanks chatnjack very challenging i like that hehe


hmmm which do i chose


smith family kennels do you have any idea who this dog is? This could possible be the fist time this picture has ever been posted online but... those who should know, know.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/HAHACAUGHTYOUDONTCHEAT.jpg

[smith family kennels]

Jack like I said before I am really bad at picking out dogs. I know names and I know the dogmen but dogs go through my mind like water goes through the body ive just seen way to many of them.

[CHATNJACK]

P.S.

Here's another partial shot of Blade's 2004 National photo minus the full body shots (cropped for privacy reasons). This photo (the full photo) was in the ADBA Gazette.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/BLADENATS04.jpg

what gaztte was it in we have them back till 98 i think spring 05 ?

The 2004 ADBA Nationals were held in New Lenox, Illinois in the month of September. All my Gazette's are packed up right now because we're in the process of moving so I can't put my hand on it right now but that picture and another one with just Blade & myself is in the whole page collage photo of the Nationals issue. Blade was in several issues of the Gazette, 4 or 5 I think, I'm not exactly sure without going back and looking. When Blade died Kate (Greenwood) ran a tribute & obituary in honor of Blade in the Gazette (2007). BTW, Blade was also the very 1st. "BLUE" dog to ever be inspected (at the request of the Owner "DM" of the N.K.C.) by Judge Art Parker as an American Pit Bull Terrier, not an AmStaff just because of his color like the N.K.C.'s standard calls for. Blade went on later that very same day to place 2nd under Judge Art Parker in a sanctioned N.K.C. APBT conformation show. 1st place went to a "Ch" that a guy had just purchased that morning from Ed Farron of Wildside Kennels. That red N.K.C. ribbon is Blade's on 2nd place ribbon ever. Here's just a few of Blade's trophies that are very special to us.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/dogshelf1.jpg

[smith family kennels]

I'll have to dig them all out I don't have all of them just laying around lol some of mine are packed away as well.

that is a pretty awesome accomplishment jack you probably dont travel our way for shows much do you?

[CHATNJACK]

Jack like I said before I am really bad at picking out dogs. I know names and I know the dogmen but dogs go through my mind like water goes through the body ive just seen way to many of them.

LOL. Ok, well it's none other than the very 1st "Official" SDJ "Grand Champion".

"Gr. Ch. Stubblefield's Buddy"
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/chatnjack/HAHACAUGHTYOUDONTCHEAT.jpg

[smith family kennels]

haaa ok. Heard the name never seen the picture. Awesome thanks for that. Now I can put a dog face with a name.

[Dansgrizz]

I dont got any prizes at the moment lol.... but heres one for you guys.... Name this dog and dogman

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248639670.jpg

[smith family kennels]

im passing it to others lol. When you put the dog man in there you screwed up dan lol

[Dansgrizz]

i got another one for ya when you get it..... lol

[smith family kennels]

lol im not going to be on much longer dan i can't play all day today I got a list of stuff to get done. let leon and kevin play for a while. if nobody else gets it ill come back and play

[Dansgrizz]

well well well illl post up a multiple pic one so you can guess all of them at once lol...


1)http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248639670.jpg

2)http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248640009.jpg

3)http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248640088.jpg

4)http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248499518.jpg

[smith family kennels]

geez dan ill come bust your chops after while on these photos I know those dogmen wont take me no time to get the dogs lets see if somebody else can get them. I gotta do dogs now, clean kitchen and go to grocery store.

[infinity]

Is #2 Howard Heinzl ?

[Dansgrizz]

Noooooo........ But #4 might have him in it with his big ol' cigar n cowboy hat ;)

[NATE]

hey dan can me and my friends play ? huh huh can we can we ?
lol naw i will be nice and but dan anit those pic's in color in the book's ?
3 out of four anyways ?

[Dansgrizz]

Fuck dude play! People been telling me they know them for over a week now........ Yet I have not one right answer. So get it over with lol!! The book I got them from has no color pictures.

[Dansgrizz]

since no one was able to get them... Not even one...


1)Danny Burton and gator http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248639670.jpg

2)Plumber and Rennie http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248640009.jpg

3)Ed Weaver and Leona http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248640088.jpg

4) JB Click and Howard Heinzl http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1248499518.jpg[/QUOTE]

[Dansgrizz]

OK!! heres a really easy one to get this shit kick started... lets start the shit kickin...

CAN YOU????

NAME THIS DOG N DOGMAN?!

One awesome fucking dog and one of those legendary figures... i know this dog is in many of our members pedigrees.

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/881.jpg

[BXPITS]

wiz hubbard with grch corvino's braddock

[Dansgrizz]

Double GrCh ;) so who else has one?!

[Macda]

I can post up some dogs, not good at naming though lol

No quoting!
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/XmasNightAfter-600x382.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/WalterKomosinski.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/joemallen-1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/aligator6.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/1mtnmanandhomer.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/520national20pit-bull2020terrier20c.jpg

everyone should get this one
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/ch20alligator-11.jpg

and my favorite
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b239/PittieLove/Game%20dogs/5earltudor.jpg

[christySYK]

Here you go.
Who's This?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/choppergrrl/Artwork/dog.jpg

[green machine]

Here you go.
Who's This?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/choppergrrl/Artwork/dog.jpg

Str8up's (wildsides) willie rom

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=20250

[christySYK]

:clap:
Here's your next one.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/choppergrrl/Artwork/dog1.jpg

[green machine]

:clap:
Here's your next one.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/choppergrrl/Artwork/dog1.jpg


That there my dear, is maverick! :D

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=4115

[Blue]

Is that floyd and guy boudreuox?

[green machine]

that is floyd but that isnt guy, cant remember what that other guys name is.

[Dansgrizz]

Who can name this dog?

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/dog.jpg

[sw_df27]

crenshaws ch charlie rom
I got lucky I only know this cause I was looking up crenshaw stuff last week and came across this exact photo :p

please correct me if I'm wrong

[Dansgrizz]

CONGRATS STEPH!!! Your absolutely right, and thats not a common phot of him either!

[sw_df27]

yeah I have been doing some heavy educating myself on old dogs lately while I have been bored at work I often don't remember how I get to certain websites I just click away and forget where I started. lol

[Howardpit1]

An interesting tidbit about Charlie, is that he was actually considered to be a better dog than jeep by some people. Jeep just got more recognition. My uncle seen both of them in action, and said Charlie seemed the better dog to him also. Charlie just did not get bred as much or pumped up as high.

[Dansgrizz]

So heres another one for yall.....

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/dog2.jpg

[bullysonkid]

Easy, Texas Pete

[sw_df27]

I Believe you are right it's
hall texas ch pete

[Dansgrizz]

Of course he's right lol

[sw_df27]

here's one

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z56/sw_df27/311.gif

[Dansgrizz]

Makes me wanna say indian bolio.... ?

[sw_df27]

nope try again I'll give it til 2 today then I'll spill the beans

[sw_df27]

okay so it's about 2 here and since nobody can guess here it is

CH Tudor's Spike (4XW) ROM

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=311

[oakpit]

Ok ill give it another go.
http://www.riospitbull.com/Carver2.jpg
Who is this dogman & dog?

Smith family guessed Carver and Redneck, like it is listed in Rios' pictures. But that is actually a picture of Larry Bell and C. Winn's Redneck as an older dog, also known as Bert Sorrel's T.J., a son of Bert's Ch. Shaft.
I know it looks like Maurice but that picture was taken several years after Carver died (I know, I took that picture in eastern Colorado)
T.J. had beat a son of Bolio, named Grider's Duke in Nevada in a little over an hour and a half, very game dog. Redneck was retired from competition by a dog named Ch. Bad Company and then sold as a proven stud dog.
Redneck is listed as the sire of Merritt's Tugboat Willie that killed Carver and Finn's Magic Man in 56 minutes and then went on to beat the famous CH. Hunt dog in 5 hours 32 minutes. Go back and check your journals and you will see Carver was recently deceased at the time.