Dog parks.

[StaffyDaddy]

Discuss about dog parks here-Leon

I'm not here to lecture you or anything. I thought the video was great. And I think that being so young, your pup isn't in much danger, however the original apbt was bred for gameness and you can't love that out of your dog. Once your dog matures, it MAY show signs of DA towards other dogs in the dog park. IMO it isnt the best place to take a dog, when you can STILL interact with other dogs at a normal park, on leash, or by arranging play dates with people you know under careful supervision.

This subject has been beaten to death, however I just want to state that it's better to take advice and run with it then to be a prime example of why certain things shouldn't be done.

[APBT_MOMMA]

This subject has been beaten to death, however I just want to state that it's better to take advice and run with it then to be a prime example of why certain things shouldn't be done.

That is exactly what I meant in my post, but you just stated it way better. Lol, that is why I mentioned not to get discouraged because alot of it will be great advice that ppl will give, sometimes others just take it the wrong way. Thanks though for wording it great Staffy. :)

[StaffyDaddy]

That is exactly what I meant in my post, but you just stated it way better. Lol, that is why I mentioned not to get discouraged because alot of it will be great advice that ppl will give, sometimes others just take it the wrong way. Thanks though for wording it great Staffy. :)

Thanks... We have enough wars at gopitbull when it comes to Dog parks. We have all found out that by being harsh, we often turn off a lot of new people, but some of the stuff that people don't want to hear is often what they need to know..

I posted not because I want to "warn you" or anything like that, but our breed is like the ultimate dog. When it comes to a challenge, it's not like the apbt to back down. That's basically the only thing that you should keep in mind as far as dog parks go.

[jeoestreich]

Too cute!!

[APBTMOMMY]

Very cute... I was gonna ask if you where in a private fence or something... its too risky to be at a park with no leashes or any thing... we take ours to a park but its a little no name park that is really just a well taken care of open field that no one is ever at... however we keep him leashed and harnessed at all times... I don't want to take no chances with our baby boy... Cute vid though, looks like there where having fun thanks for sharing...

[Lala]

Yes it's a fenced dog park. They have shown no signs of aggression at all. If they start to show aggression then we will leave immediately (Although this hasn't been an issue). Yes, I am aware of the dangers that can arise at the dog park. This is why I always stay close and watch them, so I can catch the problem before it even begins. I take them there to interact with other dogs, get them out of the house and stretch their legs. Also they need to be properly socialized.

[StaffyDaddy]

Yes it's a fenced dog park. They have shown no signs of aggression at all. If they start to show aggression then we will leave immediately (Although this hasn't been an issue). Yes, I am aware of the dangers that can arise at the dog park. This is why I always stay close and watch them, so I can catch the problem before it even begins. I take them there to interact with other dogs, get them out of the house and stretch their legs. Also they need to be properly socialized.

Just a question?

Have you taken your pup to any sort of obedience classes? Sometimes the best play dates start in puppy classes... Also having family members bringing their dog over or vice versa is a wonderful thing. Just always be aware, and that will keep you out of trouble :D

[LiiL_L0cz]

Yes it's a fenced dog park. They have shown no signs of aggression at all. If they start to show aggression then we will leave immediately (Although this hasn't been an issue). Yes, I am aware of the dangers that can arise at the dog park. This is why I always stay close and watch them, so I can catch the problem before it even begins. I take them there to interact with other dogs, get them out of the house and stretch their legs. Also they need to be properly socialized.


i understand ur wantin to socialize ur pooches and them being young it isnt too bad of an idea... however, later on, ur dogs DA may turn on. And if it does, the dog park is not the place for it... the reason i want to stress this is becuz alot of ppl arent aware that DA is just part of the breed. u cant "socialize" it out ya know...

think of it this way:

once ur dogs hit maturity they will start to try and establish a pecking order (not only amongst themselves) but with any dog they come in contact with. Are ur dogs fixed? If not, that will ALSO make "alpha dog attitude" more dominant.

if u really want to socailize ur dogs, i would bring them around family dogs, or even on walks but in a dog park setting, u have a pin full of highstrung dogs. Not every owner works their dogs BEFORE they dog park. most often then not, u get ppl who take their dogs to the parks ot burn off excess energy, which in return makes a bad scenary for any bulldog.

i hope u rethink ur decisoin on dog parks. And please dont take offense to my post, i am sincerely concerned about ur dogs. right now since they are little its all fun and games, but one bad experience at the park can skar ur dogs for life....

[razors_edge]

first of all how old is ur dog....i take my dog to the dog park to socialize every weekend but she is only 9m old.....u can take em while theyre puppies to get them used to being around other dogs but once they mature u will see DA in them, with all bullies and APBT's.....

[Lala]

No I havent, my dog's really don't need obedience classes. Our only income is my boyfriend, and I don't think he will pay that much for something that we don't need at all. I don't talk to my family. The dog park is right down the street, a small community dog park that I will continue to go to reguardless of what you say. :) If they show any signs of aggression then and only then is when we will stop going. If you don't take your dog, and your against them more power to ya.

[Dansgrizz]

PIT BULLS ARE NOT TO BE SOCIALIZED WITH OTHER DOGS
Your dog comes from a past of fighting and dog aggression, it could decide and any moment that NO DOG is ok. Taking your dogs to dog parks is a bad idea. A VERY BAD IDEA. I have a dog who loves MOST dogs but every once in awhile he will TURN ON to a certain dog and he will start hitting the end of his leash 3 feet in the air. My other dogs spits fire from his ass everytime a dog is within scent range. Nuetering your dog has NO EFFECT on Dog Agression WHATSOEVER!!! Your dog will be DA no matter what if it heads down that path, if thats what his future holds you have no way of preventing it or avoiding it. If he has NO Dog Aggression at the moment keep him away from other dogs, dont let him have any negative incidences and hope for the best....

REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY... IF YOUR DOG BITES A DOG SOMEONE WILL JUMP IN IF IT BITES THEM IT WILL MOST LIKELY DIE!!!! if you want your dog to DIE be my guest have fun at the dog park. It only takes once.... im not willing to roll the dice.

[StaffyDaddy]

i understand ur wantin to socialize ur pooches and them being young it isnt too bad of an idea... however, later on, ur dogs DA may turn on. And if it does, the dog park is not the place for it... the reason i want to stress this is becuz alot of ppl arent aware that DA is just part of the breed. u cant "socialize" it out ya know...

think of it this way:

once ur dogs hit maturity they will start to try and establish a pecking order (not only amongst themselves) but with any dog they come in contact with. Are ur dogs fixed? If not, that will ALSO make "alpha dog attitude" more dominant.

if u really want to socailize ur dogs, i would bring them around family dogs, or even on walks but in a dog park setting, u have a pin full of highstrung dogs. Not every owner works their dogs BEFORE they dog park. most often then not, u get ppl who take their dogs to the parks ot burn off excess energy, which in return makes a bad scenary for any bulldog.

i hope u rethink ur decisoin on dog parks. And please dont take offense to my post, i am sincerely concerned about ur dogs. right now since they are little its all fun and games, but one bad experience at the park can skar ur dogs for life....

:goodjob:

the thing about DA is that you might never know any signs of it. it's different in every dog, and most game bred lines were bred to not show those signs... So unless youve seen in it in your dogs, you may have no clue when it's about to happen. The people on here are posting all of this to save you from possible heartbreak, expensive fees, and a chance of the incident being twisted around by the media. If it's a pitbull and any other dog, society will always point the finger at the pitbull. Always.

[StaffyDaddy]

No I havent, my dog's really don't need obedience classes. Our only income is my boyfriend, and I don't think he will pay that much for something that we don't need at all. I don't talk to my family. The dog park is right down the street, a small community dog park that I will continue to go to reguardless of what you say. :) If they show any signs of aggression then and only then is when we will stop going. If you don't take your dog, and your against them more power to ya.

:faint:

this is probably the only issue that will be beaten like a dead horse as much. its not because we think we know it all but because it's true.

[Lala]

i understand ur wantin to socialize ur pooches and them being young it isnt too bad of an idea... however, later on, ur dogs DA may turn on. And if it does, the dog park is not the place for it... the reason i want to stress this is becuz alot of ppl arent aware that DA is just part of the breed. u cant "socialize" it out ya know...

think of it this way:

once ur dogs hit maturity they will start to try and establish a pecking order (not only amongst themselves) but with any dog they come in contact with. Are ur dogs fixed? If not, that will ALSO make "alpha dog attitude" more dominant.

if u really want to socailize ur dogs, i would bring them around family dogs, or even on walks but in a dog park setting, u have a pin full of highstrung dogs. Not every owner works their dogs BEFORE they dog park. most often then not, u get ppl who take their dogs to the parks ot burn off excess energy, which in return makes a bad scenary for any bulldog.

i hope u rethink ur decisoin on dog parks. And please dont take offense to my post, i am sincerely concerned about ur dogs. right now since they are little its all fun and games, but one bad experience at the park can skar ur dogs for life....

Yes I am aware of that. When I lived with my family we had 3 adult pits that were very socialized and friendly dogs. Never had one problem with them.

And why would you be concerned for my dogs?

[Dansgrizz]

PIT BULLS ARE NOT TO BE SOCIALIZED WITH OTHER DOGS


REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY... IF YOUR DOG BITES A DOG SOMEONE WILL JUMP IN IF IT BITES THEM IT WILL MOST LIKELY DIE!!!! if you want your dog to DIE be my guest have fun at the dog park. It only takes once.... im not willing to roll the dice.

................... never quoted myself before...

[LiiL_L0cz]

whoa whoa whoa!

this got outta hand pretty quick.... ok first things first.... i would like to tackle tha ge factor...

9months is gettin up there. alot of dogs have been known to turn on their DA around this age. some as early as 5months... id be careful id i was u razors_edge

next: lala, its perfectly understandable if u cant afford OB classes. hell with u only bein 17 and ur bf supportin u two, u feel for u. BUT, please please please, read into the breed hun.Like Dan said, these dogs have a HISTORY of DA and Pitfighting. its just in the blood. Also, u may spend countless hours workign with ur dogs and they may be the BEST BEHAVED dogs ion the planet, but u can expect other owenrs to have spent the same amount of time and energy into their dogs. when ur dogs mature, another dog is goin to step up to them, and i can promise u, nature will take the reins and ur dogs instinct will kick in... U pitbul may not start the fight but it will sure and hell finish it..

do u by chance have a break stick? i would research that tool, its imprtnant to have. and if u arent going to take our advice, at least carry that JUST IN CASE somethin does happen. ull be able to potentionally save ur dog or another.

last: DAN, let me rephrase what i meant about spay and nuetering.... fixed dogs smell differnt, so they pose less of a threat to HOT dogs im speaking in regards to other dogs challangin hers.... so chill with ur cap locks. if her dogs are fixed, it lowers the stat of another dog trying to pick a fight with hers....

[StaffyDaddy]

Yes I am aware of that. When I lived with my family we had 3 adult pits that were very socialized and friendly dogs. Never had one problem with them.

And why would you be concerned for my dogs?

We're all concerned about your dogs to a certain extent. These forums are formed to increase awareness and promote responsibility. With almost every other breed you can do the whole dog park thing... But the apbt was bred to fight, its gameness you will never breed or love out, and just does not belond in a situation that could escalate it. What people are doing by taking their apbts to the dog park is increasing the chance of a dog fight. If it happens between two other breeds, so be it. But no one has as much bad publicity as the apbt and making choices that put it in danger, or could put other dogs in danger is just basically acknowledging that youre aware of what could happen but you just want to see your dog play.

i REALLY understand where people are coming from. yes, everyone wants their dog to get along with others, but a pitbull doesn't need friends or family other than the human love it gets from you and your loved ones.

[LiiL_L0cz]

i REALLY understand where people are coming from. yes, everyone wants their dog to get along with others, but a pitbull doesn't need friends or family other than the human love it gets from you and your loved ones.

:agreed:
pitbulls are not meant to roll with other pitbulls.. they do not see canines as their pack... they see the human race as their pack... just thought id add to this...

[ItsMe]

Yes it's a fenced dog park. They have shown no signs of aggression at all. If they start to show aggression then we will leave immediately (Although this hasn't been an issue). Yes, I am aware of the dangers that can arise at the dog park. This is why I always stay close and watch them, so I can catch the problem before it even begins. I take them there to interact with other dogs, get them out of the house and stretch their legs. Also they need to be properly socialized.

Often times no aggression is shown before its too late.

Proper socialization is done differently for pits than other dogs. If you arrange a playdate with a friends dog, not only are you still there to supervise, but if things get out of hand, you and your dog are personalized to your friend. Your friend will know that your dog is a very good, sweet dog that just gave in to instinct. At the dog park, once your dog hurts the dog of the person you just met, you turn into the faceless, nameless owner of an evil vile beast. Chances are even if your dog got hurt, it would be judged to be his/her fault. A play and train class(I'm currently doing one) is one of the best ways to socialize your dog in a controlled enviroment where all of the dogs are held to the same standard.

[Dansgrizz]

whoa whoa whoa!

this got outta hand pretty quick.... ok first things first.... i would like to tackle tha ge factor...

9months is gettin up there. alot of dogs have been known to turn on their DA around this age. some as early as 5months... id be careful id i was u razors_edge

next: lala, its perfectly understandable if u cant afford OB classes. hell with u only bein 17 and ur bf supportin u two, u feel for u. BUT, please please please, read into the breed hun.Like Dan said, these dogs have a HISTORY of DA and Pitfighting. its just in the blood. Also, u may spend countless hours workign with ur dogs and they may be the BEST BEHAVED dogs ion the planet, but u can expect other owenrs to have spent the same amount of time and energy into their dogs. when ur dogs mature, another dog is goin to step up to them, and i can promise u, nature will take the reins and ur dogs instinct will kick in... U pitbul may not start the fight but it will sure and hell finish it..

do u by chance have a break stick? i would research that tool, its imprtnant to have. and if u arent going to take our advice, at least carry that JUST IN CASE somethin does happen. ull be able to potentionally save ur dog or another.

last: DAN, let me rephrase what i meant about spay and nuetering.... fixed dogs smell differnt, so they pose less of a threat to HOT dogs im speaking in regards to other dogs challangin hers.... so chill with ur cap locks. if her dogs are fixed, it lowers the stat of another dog trying to pick a fight with hers....

My bad for trying to make a point where you were unclear....

[LiiL_L0cz]

My bad for trying to make a point where you were unclear....

no problem ;) good lookin out

[Lala]

My family and I raised 3 beautiful well-behaved pitbulls. I think I know what i'm getting myself into. I feel like i'm repeating myself and you just arn't hearing me, IF THEY SHOW ANY SIGN OF AGRESSION THEN I WILL LEAVE IMMEDIETLY AND STOP TAKING THEM TO THE DOGPARK.

[ItsMe]

What if they don't show any signs and just start fighting?

[LiiL_L0cz]

My family and I raised 3 beautiful well-behaved pitbulls. I think I know what i'm getting myself into. I feel like i'm repeating myself and you just arn't hearing me, IF THEY SHOW ANY SIGN OF AGRESSION THEN I WILL LEAVE IMMEDIETLY AND STOP TAKING THEM TO THE DOGPARK.

hmmmm... well if u know everything already... WE ARE GOOD ARENT WE ;)

*shakes head*

[Dansgrizz]

What if they don't show any signs and just start fighting?

LOL if i didnt have a leash on my dog... there would be no signs...

[StaffyDaddy]

What if they don't show any signs and just start fighting?

see thats exactly what i was trying to say. there are some dogs that even WAG THEIR TAIL while theyre in a fight.. the normal signs of aggression present in other breeds is not always a factor with the apbt. and if youre in a scenario like a dog park, and your dog is off leash, by the time you see the fight break out, and you run to break it up, the s**t already hit the fan.

[StaffyDaddy]

LOL if i didnt have a leash on my dog... there would be no signs...

exactly! and dan answer me this... dont people at dog parks normally all just sit to the side chattin with the other folks there?

[ItsMe]

Lala, if all of these pitbull owners, people who love their dogs enough to be members of an online forum, are telling you something, don't you think there must be some wisdom in there? Nobody got together and made up these things for the fun of it. The past is the best indicator of the future and pits have an extensive bad history in dog parks.

[Lala]

We're all concerned about your dogs to a certain extent. These forums are formed to increase awareness and promote responsibility. With almost every other breed you can do the whole dog park thing... But the apbt was bred to fight, its gameness you will never breed or love out, and just does not belond in a situation that could escalate it. What people are doing by taking their apbts to the dog park is increasing the chance of a dog fight. If it happens between two other breeds, so be it. But no one has as much bad publicity as the apbt and making choices that put it in danger, or could put other dogs in danger is just basically acknowledging that youre aware of what could happen but you just want to see your dog play.

i REALLY understand where people are coming from. yes, everyone wants their dog to get along with others, but a pitbull doesn't need friends or family other than the human love it gets from you and your loved ones.

You people are ridicoulous. No I don't knnow everything, but I know enough. It makes me laugh how someone who doesn't even know me or how I am is seriously CONCERNED for my dogs? Wow. Just wow. That's fucking pathetic. I would never do anything that will place my dogs in danger. Ever. The arrogance on this site is over whelming. Last time I make a fucking post.

[Lala]

hmmmm... well if u know everything already... WE ARE GOOD ARENT WE ;)

*shakes head*


Did I say that? Nooo.

[ItsMe]

Actually your arrogance in thinking your dog is for some reason different than every other pit is astonishing.

[Lala]

Actually your arrogance in thinking your dog is for some reason different than every other pit is astonishing.
Coaco and Zeus are very diffrent. Complete diffrent personalities. No pit is the same.

[Dansgrizz]

exactly! and dan answer me this... dont people at dog parks normally all just sit to the side chattin with the other folks there?

I don't know.... Never been inside LOL I walk past one and laugh at all the clueless owners and the dogs showing dominant behavior, let's just say if my sweet little grizz was in there... It's be a blood bath and if maverick was in there it's be a blood shower LOL!!!

[LiiL_L0cz]

lala look

we are not trying to be arrogant by any means... we are all in this together.... lets agree on somethin here. dont u think ur gma or gmpa are alot wiser than you (in any topic)??? ok, so if u were to ask a real dogman (someone who has been with the breed for,lets say, 20+ yrs) about dog parks, i can PROMISE you, they will say its a bad idea......

*shruggs* just lookin out for ya. we were all there once before

[Lala]

LOL actually everytime I go to the dog park from now on I think i'll video tape it and post it. Just for you guys :)

[Dansgrizz]

You people are ridicoulous. No I don't knnow everything, but I know enough. It makes me laugh how someone who doesn't even know me or how I am is seriously CONCERNED for my dogs? Wow. Just wow. That's fucking pathetic. I would never do anything that will place my dogs in danger. Ever. The arrogance on this site is over whelming. Last time I make a fucking post.


I could care less for your dog... I care what's gonna happen to mine if your attacks something for your stupidity....

[Lala]

I could care less for your dog... I care what's gonna happen to mine if your attacks something for your stupidity....


Has that happened yet? Nooo.
Is it going to happen? Nooo
& that wasnent even ment for you it was for the people who were "Concerned for my dog"

[ItsMe]

Coaco and Zeus are very diffrent. Complete diffrent personalities. No pit is the same.

EVERY pit comes from fighting blood. Dogs that were trained to fight to kill, fight through pain, and not show any signs of the impending attack. You CANNOT socialize this out of them, all you can do is supervise. The dog park is not good for that because you have to supervise your dog and the other dogs around because their owners aren't. Remember, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, if there is an altercation involving your dog, its your dogs fault and that is pretty much a death sentence for your best friend. They don't deserve that because of the ignorance of their caretakers.

[StaffyDaddy]

oh man.. i tried.. if it means anything to the moderators i tried.

but you always get that one person who thinks their dog's s**t dont stink and unfortunately, its always a bad experience that says "hey, maybe i should have listened"

we're not arrogant. history can prove what we're talking about. you taking our words with a grain of salt is the problem. im sorry if you feel like you have to leave, but do it on your own count, not ours. No one here is posting to intentionally bash anyone, but when we do things with this breed that could set another bad image, we're GONNA say something.

And the smart little comment about no one being concerned for your dog... Maybe it's us thinking that YOU have little or no concern for the dog. Everyone else takes their mutt to the dog park and you dont want to leave your pups out. I get where youre coming from.

[LiiL_L0cz]

Has that happened yet? Nooo.
Is it going to happen? Nooo.

i will say this.... I HHHHHAAAATTTEEEE AGREEING WITH DAN becuz we just dont get along... but

hes right....

it has happend and it will continue... just becuz it hasnt happened to ur dogs YET doenst mean it wont.....

[Lala]

oh man.. i tried.. if it means anything to the moderators i tried.

but you always get that one person who thinks their dog's s**t dont stink and unfortunately, its always a bad experience that says "hey, maybe i should have listened"

we're not arrogant. history can prove what we're talking about. you taking our words with a grain of salt is the problem. im sorry if you feel like you have to leave, but do it on your own count, not ours. No one here is posting to intentionally bash anyone, but when we do things with this breed that could set another bad image, we're GONNA say something.

And the smart little comment about no one being concerned for your dog... Maybe it's us thinking that YOU have little or no concern for the dog. Everyone else takes their mutt to the dog park and you dont want to leave your pups out. I get where youre coming from.

Hell no im not about to leave. Thought about it but nahh. So saying that I have no concern for my dog is not ment to intentionally bash me? Yeah...
My dogs are healthy, happy and have a very loving home. Yet I have no concern for them:rolleyes:

[Dansgrizz]

i will say this.... I HHHHHAAAATTTEEEE AGREEING WITH DAN becuz we just dont get along... but

hes right....

it has happend and it will continue... just becuz it hasnt happened to ur dogs YET doenst mean it wont.....

:hater: ;) thanks locs !!! :rofl:

[ItsMe]

The problem might be that you've grown to comfortable with knowing them to be what they are-sweet, loving, obedient dogs. What everyone is trying to say is instinct trumps all that stuff. I have often been very tempted to let Remy off of her leash to play with other dogs, but I know its not a good idea. She's the sweetest, most well behaved dog, but I know her fight mode can turn on like a light switch. I'm not prepared to deal with the consequences things going wrong with my dog. If that switch is hit, the light is on and its on instantly, too quick for you too stop it. I'm sorry if you think I'm being arrogant, its really not my intention.

[StaffyDaddy]

Hell no im not about to leave. Thought about it but nahh. So saying that I have no concern for my dog is not ment to intentionally bash me? Yeah...
My dogs are healthy, happy and have a very loving home. Yet I have no concern for them:rolleyes:

ok it might be bashing just a bit but damn it we're only sounding like broken records because every little incident involving a pitbull or pitbull looking dog brings the entire breed closer to extinction. I'm not exaggerating, when we choose to own this breed we have to accept more responsibility than with any other breed. Im sure you LOVE your dogs (and im sorry for that cut down) but your dog would love you for participating in ANY activity with it.. It doesnt wake up thinking "I hope mommy takes me to the dog park again so i can play"

the thing about you saying if you see a sign of aggression, youll quit going isnt enough. unless youve broken up a fight with one of your dogs and another animal, you dont even know wether your dogs will SHOW any signs.

I'm sorry im very frustrated not with you but with the belief that "every dog is different". I agree, no dog is the same but they WERE bred to fight to the death..

Before 1976 dogs were put in the box and their game was tested. often dogs would be killed if they lost, if they didnt die from the fight itself. the term "only the strong survive" is perfect for describing the origins of this breed.

Not everything you post will cause so much contreversy i promise you, but dog parks and bully breeds just do NOT mix.

[LiiL_L0cz]

trust me, im not trying to be arrogant. if i was MAN OH MAN, ud be able to tell. ive been banned from a forum before for being an arrogant bitch....

all im saying is, please rethink this. and yes I AM CONCERNED for you dogs, becuz it is my nature to do so. not that i dont trust u are giving them a happy home wit lots of love and excersize... im concerned becuz IF somethin does happen, UR DOGS will be blamed simply becuz they are PITBULLS.....


and 9 times outta 10, those VICIOUS pitbulls who "started" the attack get put down....

good luck to you, hope nothing sour happens with ur dogs...

oh u should get them fixed.. in a few months they are gonna wanna produce... and u dont wanna be a byb right? ;)

[Lala]

The problem might be that you've grown to comfortable with knowing them to be what they are-sweet, loving, obedient dogs. What everyone is trying to say is instinct trumps all that stuff. I have often been very tempted to let Remy off of her leash to play with other dogs, but I know its not a good idea. She's the sweetest, most well behaved dog, but I know her fight mode can turn on like a light switch. I'm not prepared to deal with the consequences things going wrong with my dog. If that switch is hit, the light is on and its on instantly, too quick for you too stop it. I'm sorry if you think I'm being arrogant, its really not my intention.

Thank you for that. I do understand what your trying to say. I have yet to see their "fight mode". Someday if it does come on, I will be right there to catch it before it gets out of hand. Then I will stop taking them. But untill that day, I will continue to take them.

[Dansgrizz]

The incident that brings down a pit bull ban in sac town might not be a big deal, just a slow news day... Are you gonna be responsible?

[LiiL_L0cz]

the thing about you saying if you see a sign of aggression, youll quit going isnt enough. unless youve broken up a fight with one of your dogs and another animal, you dont even know wether your dogs will SHOW any signs.




i thought it would never happen with kenya...i mean kenya used to play with EVERY FUCKING DOG AROUND!!!! one day thom she decided she didnt like the way a GSD was staring her down while she attempted an excersize.....ugly fight at the pd... break stick saved the other 90LB DOG from kenyas 46lbs... AND I WASNT EVEN AT A DOGPARK i was at a police training for crying out loud...

[Dansgrizz]

Thank you for that. I do understand what your trying to say. I have yet to see their "fight mode". Someday if it does come on, I will be right there to catch it before it gets out of hand. Then I will stop taking them. But untill that day, I will continue to take them.


Got a break stick? You'll need one.... Know hot to part two dogs? Need that info too... Know hot to insert an IV cuz your dogs had a vein severed and you can't stop the bleeding....Oh wait you probly already know all this info...

[LiiL_L0cz]

Got a break stick? You'll need one.... Know hot to part two dogs? Need that info too... Know hot to insert an IV cuz your dogs had a vein severed and you can't stop the bleeding....Oh wait you probly already know all this info...

ur a dick... but i agree YET A FUCKING AGAIN!

[Lala]

And it is proven that to every generalization there is always an exception. My boyfriend has broken up dogfights and he goes with me everytime. Not that it will ever get to that level.

[LiiL_L0cz]

mann... im done preachin... ur not going to change ur thoughts.... fuck the haterz right

i just love teenagers... HOLLA! lmfao

[ItsMe]

Every statistic thought they were the exception until it really happened.

[Lala]

Well your not as stupid as I thought you were beings that you finally realized that.

[Lala]

Every statistic thought they were the exception until it really happened.


Minus the exceptions.

[ItsMe]

LOL- I guess it really does go back to the teenager thing...

[Dansgrizz]

ur a dick... but i agree YET A FUCKING AGAIN!


Omg!! LOL I'm aware I'm a dick!! ;) u don't gave to name call just cuz you agree with me! Damn can't I catch a break? :D

[APBTMOMMY]

Lets keep this on topic everyone....Please...Dont want to have to close another thread....

[razors_edge]

No I havent, my dog's really don't need obedience classes. Our only income is my boyfriend, and I don't think he will pay that much for something that we don't need at all. I don't talk to my family. The dog park is right down the street, a small community dog park that I will continue to go to reguardless of what you say. :) If they show any signs of aggression then and only then is when we will stop going. If you don't take your dog, and your against them more power to ya.

thats what im talkin about.....DANSGRIZZ if ur sayin that pitbulls arent supposed to be socialized u r incorrect....pitbulls are supposed to be socialized cuz if theyre not they become aggressive....i had 2 yr old pits took and they played with my sisters dogs with no aggression, it just depends on the dog...ppl say that every pitbull breed is the same, thats not true if ur talkin about temperments, so have better temps. then others

[LiiL_L0cz]

thats what im talkin about.....DANSGRIZZ if ur sayin that pitbulls arent supposed to be socialized u r incorrect....pitbulls are supposed to be socialized cuz if theyre not they become aggressive....i had 2 yr old pits took and they played with my sisters dogs with no aggression, it just depends on the dog...ppl say that every pitbull breed is the same, thats not true if ur talkin about temperments, so have better temps. then others

nooooooooooooooooooooooo......... hahaha nottt ttrruuueee...... lol... pitbulls being NEGLECTED stems DA/AA... but remember every Pitbull has DA i their blood... wether it be an teeny weeeny bitt or full blown hot head, its there... pits are meant for their pack and their pack only. watever is in their pack is all they need to socailze with really. if its a bird, a cat or a kid... thats the pitbull pack u have for u family... pitbulls dont need other strange dogs....

[razors_edge]

nooooooooooooooooooooooo......... hahaha nottt ttrruuueee...... lol... pitbulls being NEGLECTED stems DA/AA... but remember every Pitbull has DA i their blood... wether it be an teeny weeeny bitt or full blown hot head, its there... pits are meant for their pack and their pack only. watever is in their pack is all they need to socailze with really. if its a bird, a cat or a kid... thats the pitbull pack u have for u family... pitbulls dont need other strange dogs....

hahahaha NO! ....not from my experiences, my 2 yr old pitbull lived with a cat and a pomerianian and he was not neutured...he didnt even get in a fight with them...so i dont know what kind of animals u have but mines never showed any aggression toward any animal because i socialized them with every single animal that i knew of....yeah every single pit has DA in their blood but that doesnt mean they have to capitalize on that dog agression just because its in their blood.....i

[ItsMe]

nooooooooooooooooooooooo......... hahaha nottt ttrruuueee...... lol... pitbulls being NEGLECTED stems DA/AA... but remember every Pitbull has DA i their blood... wether it be an teeny weeeny bitt or full blown hot head, its there... pits are meant for their pack and their pack only. watever is in their pack is all they need to socailze with really. if its a bird, a cat or a kid... thats the pitbull pack u have for u family... pitbulls dont need other strange dogs....

Exactly....

[ItsMe]

Wow, I am bowing out of this thread....

[LiiL_L0cz]

hahahaha NO! ....not from my experiences, my 2 yr old pitbull lived with a cat and a pomerianian and he was not neutured...he didnt even get in a fight with them...so i dont know what kind of animals u have but mines never showed any aggression toward any animal because i socialized them with every single animal that i knew of....yeah every single pit has DA in their blood but that doesnt mean they have to capitalize on that dog agression just because its in their blood.....i

dont wanan pick a fight..... but RE-READ what i wrote... lol.... im saying, pitbulls get along with their pack... if u have a cat and a pomerainain in ur pack ur dog is being exposed to that species everyday, its going to get along with it DUHHHH lmfao....

and at this point in the pitbull exposure, ppl should be acting on that fact that DA is present PERIOD... its becuz of ppl who "have raised pits for yr" or "know their dog better than anyone" who fudge it up fro eveyone else. like i said, my dog is TRAINED. she will be a police k9, and if i told her to take a shit, she will (lol) but i didnt expect her to take flight on the GSD ACROSS THE ROOM.... i was standing right there with her ... soooooo

yea... RE-READ thnx ;)

[APBTMOMMY]

All we are tring to do is protect our breed...More and more pitbulls get put down everyday because of owners that was not responsible... socailization is one thing, letting your dog run without a leash is asking for your name to be in a head line.. If you want to exercise your dog buy letting them run and streach there legs then run with them... jog with them... if you dont have the yard. Staffy was just tring to let you know that eventually they may show signs of DA and was tring to help you prepare yourself as to what to look for.No one is saying that you didnt know this already. We just all love the bread and are doing our best to help protect them. thanks.

[Dansgrizz]

hahahaha NO! ....not from my experiences, my 2 yr old pitbull lived with a cat and a pomerianian and he was not neutured...he didnt even get in a fight with them...so i dont know what kind of animals u have but mines never showed any aggression toward any animal because i socialized them with every single animal that i knew of....yeah every single pit has DA in their blood but that doesnt mean they have to capitalize on that dog agression just because its in their blood.....i


2 years old.... Let me know how he's done when he's 10.... I'm not gonna argue with you and your Pet Bulls, let me know how his aggression in when he is working and he sees an animal. Testosterone does wild things... If you'd like to open a dog aggression thread I'll contribute but this thread is too far off course and will go anywhere from here...

[Leon]

Stay on topic.

[StaffyDaddy]

Lil Locz and Dans Grizz.... Man.. Yeah, they might be loudmouths lol... But even though they dont have the best forum ettiquette, i admire them both because of their committment to the wellbeing of the breed. I have learned a lot of what I know through my experience, and a lot through their wise words. Just putting that out there.

[razors_edge]

dont wanan pick a fight..... but RE-READ what i wrote... lol.... im saying, pitbulls get along with their pack... if u have a cat and a pomerainain in ur pack ur dog is being exposed to that species everyday, its going to get along with it DUHHHH lmfao....

and at this point in the pitbull exposure, ppl should be acting on that fact that DA is present PERIOD... its becuz of ppl who "have raised pits for yr" or "know their dog better than anyone" who fudge it up fro eveyone else. like i said, my dog is TRAINED. she will be a police k9, and if i told her to take a shit, she will (lol) but i didnt expect her to take flight on the GSD ACROSS THE ROOM.... i was standing right there with her ... soooooo

yea... RE-READ thnx ;)

hey i dont fudge it up for anyone else cuz my dogs never tried to kill any other animal....thats good ur dog is goin to be a PIG K9 but we r not on the same page here so im just stop postin...

[LiiL_L0cz]

hey i dont fudge it up for anyone else cuz my dogs never tried to kill any other animal....thats good ur dog is goin to be a PIG K9 but we r not on the same page here so im just stop postin...

last post for just becuz ur bashin my dog.... but.. lets remember what kenya will be doing now...

SHE WILL BE WORKING ON A SPECIAL TASK FORCE TO STOP ILLEGAL PITBULL FIGHTING!!!

yay for the pig k9 whoop whoop...:D cuz she IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.... what do ur petbulls do???


okay im done playin with little kids... ADIOS ;)

[Dansgrizz]

Sorry staffdaddy I don't hand out thanks or reps for brown nosing ;) thanks though brother!! Glad you are LEARNING!

[StaffyDaddy]

hey i dont fudge it up for anyone else cuz my dogs never tried to kill any other animal....thats good ur dog is goin to be a PIG K9 but we r not on the same page here so im just stop postin...

Dude I gotta admit this is the first time I have read about you taking sandy to the dog park. you might not think she's capable, willing, or aggressive enough but luckily, you havent been witness to what an ugly experience that is!

[StaffyDaddy]

Sorry staffdaddy I don't hand out thanks or reps for brown nosing ;) thanks though brother!! Glad you are LEARNING!

Dude im not brown nosing or looking for rep. just because i gave you a compliment, dont mean you should get a big head. i was just trying to say that even the people coming off rude can still make the best arguments.

[razors_edge]

last post for just becuz ur bashin my dog.... but.. lets remember what kenya will be doing now...

SHE WILL BE WORKING ON A SPECIAL TASK FORCE TO STOP ILLEGAL PITBULL FIGHTING!!!

yay for the pig k9 whoop whoop...:D cuz she IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.... what do ur petbulls do???


okay im done playin with little kids... ADIOS ;)


lol....................ok

[StaffyDaddy]

last post for just becuz ur bashin my dog.... but.. lets remember what kenya will be doing now...

SHE WILL BE WORKING ON A SPECIAL TASK FORCE TO STOP ILLEGAL PITBULL FIGHTING!!!

yay for the pig k9 whoop whoop...:D cuz she IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE.... what do ur petbulls do???


okay im done playin with little kids... ADIOS ;)

hey for two cops yall aint too bad! haha u know i got love for that wild ass kenya! woot woot

[LiiL_L0cz]

lol....................ok

im done thank u

[Dansgrizz]

Dude im not brown nosing or looking for rep. just because i gave you a compliment, dont mean you should get a big head. i was just trying to say that even the people coming off rude can still make the best arguments.

LOL right on brother I'm just joking. I give myself a big head don't worry you didn't contribute to my ego LOL. Thank you very much I'm as blunt as possible LOL!!!

[StaffyDaddy]

LOL right on brother I'm just joking. I give myself a big head don't worry you didn't contribute to my ego LOL. Thank you very much I'm as blunt as possible LOL!!!

i know but i dont want you to think youre the only dickhead around here lol. youre just on more than me hahaha

[razors_edge]

nothin to say to that huh..... awwww my pigk9 is helping out OUR BREED... funny....

yeah ur right......only ur dog is helpin the breed out, everyone elses dog is a petbull...

[LiiL_L0cz]

yeah ur right......only ur dog is helpin the breed out, everyone elses dog is a petbull...

never said that either..... just asked wat urs do... ANYWAY off topic. we are Pming each other now.... problem resolved.

[razors_edge]

ok.............

[StaffyDaddy]

yeah ur right......only ur dog is helpin the breed out, everyone elses dog is a petbull...

i dont think she means that you and sandy arent, but bringin a dog you love and riskin its well being to stop pitbull fights in general is admirable.. and im pretty sure you guys dont know eachother. Celena, edge is a pretty cool dude.. and edge, i dont like cops generally but locz is cool people man and what kenya is doing is bad ass!

[razors_edge]

thanks STAFFS but i dont have anything against LOCS....me n her cool now she knows wassup...

[Leon]

Dan, a few pages back you mentioned that Pits are not supposed to be socialized with other dogs. Dont you think ALL dogs need to be socialized with as many things as possible in a controlled envinorment including other dogs?

[razors_edge]

Dan, a few pages back you mentioned that Pits are not supposed to be socialized with other dogs. Dont you think ALL dogs need to be socialized with as many things as possible in a controlled envinorment including other dogs?

naw i dont think he means that .....they need to be put in their cages away from everyone else

[StaffyDaddy]

Dan, a few pages back you mentioned that Pits are not supposed to be socialized with other dogs. Dont you think ALL dogs need to be socialized with as many things as possible in a controlled envinorment including other dogs?

I personally think that socializing is important, but with this breed you do have to accept that it's pack is going to be the people in the household. So while you might want to socialize dogs, the best bets are with dogs they grow up with, dogs belonging to CLOSE friends and RELATIVES and ALL under VERY STRICT supervision.

I believe there's a difference between a dog that's DA and one who fears what they don't know... However all goes out the window once they hit maturity and that nasty little DA can just pop up whenever.

[Dansgrizz]

Dan, a few pages back you mentioned that Pits are not supposed to be socialized with other dogs. Dont you think ALL dogs need to be socialized with as many things as possible in a controlled envinorment including other dogs?

A Pit Bull has a VERY HIGH chance of being DA and most people dont know or ever find out there dogs have VERY GOOD natural wrestling ability. There jaw strength is as strong as it wants to be and there agility and speed is hard to beat in the dog world. The APBT is bred for drive among other things gameness... Putting this combination together is a recipe for disaster when you leave them together. My dogs share a fence, i walk them side by side and only RARELY have to pull one of them away when it lunges at the other in an excited state. I crate n rotate because that is wise for me. I dont need any more vet bills. I was working a dog on a resistance trainer and had brought in another dog to see how it was done the dog jumped backwards off the trainer drug it around a couch and only stopped becuase the harness was attached to him and the trainer wouldnt fit though the door. Thanks colby for making them big LOL. They have never had before or since a situation get escalated as quick as that. Until you have seen your dog react in EVERY situation you cant be sure of its reaction, even then, you cant be sure of its reaction. I dont trust my dog to not bite another dog.... I keep my dogs safe and other dogs safe around them by steering clear. I dont go to dog parks i dont go on trails at peak hours and i dont let my boys roll anymore because of HOW FAST a situation can escalate.

naw i dont think he means that .....they need to be put in their cages away from everyone else

Dont speak for me bro...*Deleted* Say it without insults.-Leon

[Dansgrizz]

*Deleted* I am sure you know a lot about where it is, but i don't think anyone else wants to know. -Leon

[Xavier777]

In pit bulls, dog-aggression typically develops between nine months of age and two years of age, but it is not unheard of for a dog to develop DA much earlier or later in life. Pit bull owners should always expect and prepare for dog aggression, regardless of their dog's current behavior. Prevention is key for keeping DA at bay; once a pit bull gets into a serious fight, the frequency of fighting is likely to increase. Puppy owners should start socializing their puppy with other dogs as early as possible so their dog will learn the correct way to interact in canine society. This socialization is not guaranteed to prevent DA, but it can reduce the severity of DA.
Dog aggression is not an absolute, either-or condition. Some dogs may only aggress towards certain types of dogs (i.e. male dogs, big dogs), while they will get along fine with other types of dogs (i.e. puppies, small dogs). The amount of aggression also varies depending on the individual; some dogs may go nuts at the mere glimpse of another dog, while some dogs get along nicely until play gets too rough and they lose self-control.
There is a saying among pit bull owners and fanciers that bears repeating over and over again: "Never trust a pit bull not to fight." Keeping that mantra in mind, owners must use caution when their pit bull is around other dogs, and should never leave their pit bull unsupervised with other dogs - including housemates, no matter how well they get along. Additionally, pit bulls should NOT be taken to dog parks.
Novice pit bull owners often assume that because their young pit bull is friendly toward other dogs, it is not going to develop DA. This is an incorrect and dangerous assumption. Almost all pit bull puppies and youngsters will be friendly with other dogs, but as they mature, they are likely to develop DA. For some dogs, DA has a very abrupt onset that can take a pit bull owner by surprise. Pit bull owners should always be prepared, even if their dog seems to be best friends with other dogs.
Even if their dog seems to have virtually no DA, pit bull owners should always err on the side of caution. They should never leave their pit bull alone with other dogs and "never trust a pit bull not to fight."
BUT of course we dog people love to be optimists, many of us let ourselves get lulled into a false sense of confidence after months or even years of success in the parks. We've all hoped "Maybe my dog is different" or "socializing will keep him dog friendly" or "I can call him out of trouble; he listens to me" or (the least favorite excuse) "the place I got him from told me hes great with dogs." The first day your pit bull gets into a fight is usually a big shocker. Sadly.....we will hear it again... and again...and again....and again....and again (the spin of a broken record).

[Dansgrizz]

Fucking awesome xavier777!!!!

[CASH]

I use to do this... and i am sorry I did. Cash didnt start the fight but he didnt back down. All I can say to people that do take their dogs to the dog park is be carefull becouse WHEN ( not if) it happens it will be so fast you will never be able to stop it.
I wait till no one is there now.

[Dansgrizz]

I use to do this... and i am sorry I did. Cash didnt start the fight but he didnt back down. All I can say to people that do take their dogs to the dog park is be carefull becouse WHEN ( not if) it happens it will be so fast you will never be able to stop it.
I wait till no one is there now.

It's never the pit that starts it either.... And nobody pays attention to there dogs there!! Pets get dominated right n left there is minor scraps here n there! I always think when I walk by oh man oh man what a blood bath it would be!! I thinkbsome people are very confused as far as what their dog is capable of. They've never worked a dog to test it's ability therefore have no way of knowing....

[Leon]

The cleanliness aspect of the dog parks is enough to make me not go, i wouldn't take any dog to the dog park. And with the added risk of DA with pits, thats more reason not to go.

[LiiL_L0cz]

im so jelouse of ur wife xavier.... all i can say is everything u said was pure sexx to my ears lol....

and yes... dog parks, i wont lie i took kenya ONCE! and i was there for 5min before i realized that half the owners in there were just chit chattin about bullshit... im good. and i have seen a dog fight first hand... its some scary shit. ive broken up a few and they arent even my dogs.... when kenya got into it wit that gsd, i thought FOR SURE hed eat her alive.... no way jose.... idk, i was standin RIGHT next to her when she decided she didnt like the way the GSD was starin at her from across the room.... all i can say is THANK GOD FOR BREAK STICKS.

[christySYK]

I do not go to dog parks I don't recommend dog parks for anyone with any breed. You don't know if the dogs have been vaccinated or not, if some ones brand new puppy is carrying parvo, or worms, or brucellis (I can't ever spell it right) if they have heart worm, on and on.

No on can make you stop taking your dog to the dog park you will do what you want. But you best learn how to properly use a break stick and have one on you at all times. They are a VERY bad idea for this breed.

Here, a little light reading for you.

More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can’t enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park.” After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that’s not true.

Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.

Here are some good articles for basic breed information:

http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html

Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don’t know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.

Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they’re fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.

We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.

Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.

Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm

Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner’s ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it.” Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie’s unfair death were totally preventable.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...23/horse23.DTL


Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it.” This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?

It is ridiculous but it happens every day. “There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!” What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.

This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.

Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.

The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.

How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.

Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.

What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html

Some information on how to break up a fight:
http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html

Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.

The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It’s important to remember that it doesn’t mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.

Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.

http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html

[LiiL_L0cz]

:shakeshout::goodjob::thumbsup::thumb::clap::hyper :

thats why ur my gf christy.. cuz ur so DAMN SMART

[wheezie wayne]

throwing your dog in with a group of dogs that have unknown health and unknown temperaments is a terrible idea imo.

[sw_df27]

Great Post Christy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and everyone else that actually had helpful educational posts!!!!!!!!!!!



On Topic I hate dog parks I have never and will never take any dog to much much less any of my APBT's that's just plain stupid in my Opinion...........


Off Topic Razors_Edge don't you have Bullies and not APBT's anyway I think I remember you stating that fact at one point or another but I could completely wrong just wanted to point out there is a huge difference in Temp when it comes to the 2 breeds

okay found your post
i have a bully not sayin they dont have drive but not as much as a APBT....plus i live in the city....i would love to go shoot a deer, i never been "hunting" with a gun

[LiiL_L0cz]

Great Post Christy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and everyone else that actually had helpful educational posts!!!!!!!!!!!



On Topic I hate dog parks I have never and will never take any dog to much much less any of my APBT's that's just plain stupid in my Opinion...........


Off Topic Razors_Edge don't you have Bullies and not APBT's anyway I think I remember you stating that fact at one point or another but I could completely wrong just wanted to point out there is a huge difference in Temp when it comes to the 2 breeds

okay found your post


clever find steph... and yes i must agree with the committee (bahahhaha:p) there is a significant difference

[infinity]

Any one that takes there APBT to dogs parks need to remember this. Pitbulls dont fight because they have to, they fight because they love to.

[kumhomomma]

clever find steph... and yes i must agree with the committee (bahahhaha:p) there is a significant difference

BUt hell my BULLY tried to eat kumho at 9 months...so DA CAN be there in any breed but my dog snaped at once out of no where..read story in rip area. IT HAPPENS

[LiiL_L0cz]

BUt hell my BULLY tried to eat kumho at 9 months...so DA CAN be there in any breed but my dog snaped at once out of no where..read story in rip area. IT HAPPENS

oh i know its present hun... i have seen some HOT bullies.... but... it is less common....

[infinity]

Also (not trying to disrespect any dogs) Gameness in its true definition was purposely attempted to be breed out of bullies.

[Leon]

My problem is the whole neighborhood is a damn dog park. Majority of the dogs roam the streets like strays. When i took Czar for a walk, one dude i met bitched about how his poodle was knocked by some neighbors mutt. And his dog was never leashed, and its not leashed now, it was just roaming around. And there is some dude who i am pretty sure is BYBing dachshunds, and none of them are leash, can you believe it, 5 or 6 dachshunds roaming around the neighborhood. One of these days, those little shits are going to ruin it for all of us who do have our dogs on a leash.

[infinity]

My problem is the whole neighborhood is a damn dog park. Majority of the dogs roam the streets like strays. When i took Czar for a walk, one dude i met bitched about how his poodle was knocked by some neighbors mutt. And his dog was never leashed, and its not leashed now, it was just roaming around. And there is some dude who i am pretty sure is BYBing dachshunds, and none of them are leash, can you believe it, 5 or 6 dachshunds roaming around the neighborhood. One of these days, those little shits are going to ruin it for all of us who do have our dogs on a leash.

Maybe you could petition a leash law before BSL moves in.

[christySYK]

And the other reason I don't take my dogs out. I never take them for walks in my neighbor, there are ALWAYS loose dogs. Even though they would of course be leashed they pit bull still gets blamed regardless. They get plenty of excersize between weight pull training and one on one time in the yard.

[Leon]

See, i thought about that, but when you look at it realistically it might hurt me and others with pits, rotts, boxers..etc. Because if i petition, those people who don't want leash laws might complain that its US with pits and other "dangerous" dogs that need to be leashed..bla blah, and since these days laws are passed on mob rule rather than common sense, they might get their way. Since the county next to us has BSL on all pits, boxers, rotts and any bulldog (yes ridiculous i know), they might suggest it on our county. So most people with pits just keep a low profile here.

[RoXy]

I have never taken any of my dogs to the dog park and I never will. I believe anyone who does needs to be very careful. I'm not just talking about people with apbt's either.

Zoe is DA but it only seems to be towards dogs that are larger or the same size as her. She has pinned our make foster to the ground twice but thank fully she fears my hand on her Ars so I was able to get her to let him go. But I also have a bully pup and at almost 14 weeks he has ward off all unknown dogs. It's funny to watch but also alittle scary for me to know he may get worse with age. Anytime a dog comes close that he doesn't know he has teeth bared, hackles up and lungs for them (If I could get a picture of the look of serious business on his face). I don't know if he's being protective or just DA. But it has happened with EVERY new dog that he has met. So I guess we will wait and see.

[infinity]

http://www.pitbullregistry.com/dog%20parks.htm

Doing these things may help make dog park visits safer. I don’t personally go to avoid the hassle.

[Phedra]

Getting back to the beginning....I think the most important thing to remember here is that most people with "pit bulls" (esp. puppies) always think: My dog would NEVER attack another dog, he/she is so friendly. Hell I am one of those people but I choose the responsible path. In reality we won't be able to change everyone's minds. But I think it is important for people who read these posts to get as much information out of them as they can. Hopefully we will be able to positively influence the majority of the readers out there that have this breed to be responsible owners. The more people we reach the less incidents there will be out there.

Big thank you to those that posted some really good information throughout this thread!!

[IronChef]

I wouldn't risk taking any dog of any breed to a dog park. I just don't agree with the concept that throwing your dogs into the midst of multiple strange dogs with unknown temperaments is a great idea; and I certainly wouldn't take a young dog there for "socialization", as it would only take one bad experience to ruin a dog.

Plus, there is the risk of parasites and disease.

ETA: But I will add that I think for most dogs, a certain level of exposure (Socialization) to other dogs is necessary. I just prefer it to be in a controlled, safe environment with a group of dog-savvy owners.

[PackMom]

We do believe that the benefits outweigh the risks for two of our four dogs at the dogpark. (Maggie's too old and Daisy still has fears we're trying to help her overcome as a result of her being warehoused as a pup in a Shelter kennel run before we got her.)

We were just made aware of an additional risk at the dogpark, though. We know someone whose dog got Kennel Cough (Bordatella) there. If you do dogparks, ask for the vaccine. It's worth it.

[Macda]

I take my Catahoula there from time to time, he loves the huge lake and large about of land to roam on.
I dont think certain dog parks are that bad, such as the one near us that is a very large lot of land on a lake. Rarely an aggressive dog that is there.

[Absolute Peril]

I don't and won't take any breed of dog to a dog park.

[versatile]

diseases, fights, forcing your dog to let other owners pet it, lawsuits.......it's comical that people think dog parks are acceptable for any breed of dog, let alone an apbt.:D

[versatile]

what if CHINAMAN went for a stroll through the dog park? ponder what that day would be like.