What Is The Average Size Of A Quality Bread APBT

[allaboutpitbull]

I was thinking can every one take their dogs height and weight and then we can come up with a average size for male and female

axe male 19 1/2" tall 55lb

hen female 20 3/4" 59lb

[american_pitbull13]

Well it depends on what you consider quality Bred* Height and weight don't have alot to do with what makes a dog quality in my eyes. What the dog itself does is what matters. I have seen 80lb dogs that are just savage pullers and sch workers and 45lb dogs the same. The UKC and ADBA have standards of what what the dogs size should be.

[allaboutpitbull]

that's way i think it would be good to see the average size say we take 125 quality bread APBT say 100 males are 20" and 20 are 17" and 5 are 19 1/2" tall the av. will be 20" and what i mean by quality is a APBT that meets conformation !!

[allaboutpitbull]

plus their is no set height and weight so i was curious to see the average and females height and weight well i know ukc just change their standard but adba just as lon as they are proportion they are in the clear proper height to weight ratio

[Nizmo357]

i would first pick a registry to people post there dogs, some of registries have loose standards that we dont agree on.

[Budboy88]

anything more than 60-65 pounds is going to make a lot of people me included to think there might be some dishonesty going on in the pedigree

i dont want to put any specific lines on the spot but i know most people know what im reffering to

[allaboutpitbull]

thats why i say Average Size Of A Quality Bread APBT

[Budboy88]

in my opinion 30-55 pounds and height to be proportionate

[Dansgrizz]

Well it depends on what you consider quality Bred* Height and weight don't have alot to do with what makes a dog quality in my eyes. What the dog itself does is what matters. I have seen 80lb dogs that are just savage pullers and sch workers and 45lb dogs the same. The UKC and ADBA have standards of what what the dogs size should be.

Looks like someone has done the hardwork for us! LOL

i would first pick a registry to people post there dogs, some of registries have loose standards that we dont agree on.

Thats a great idea nizmo!!!

anything more than 60-65 pounds is going to make a lot of people me included to think there might be some dishonesty going on in the pedigree

i dont want to put any specific lines on the spot but i know most people know what im reffering to

I dont really know who your referring to actually since there are many large bloodlines. Some of the hemphill/ wilder stuff can WORK its A$$ off in comes in over 60 lbs often. No reachign outside the breed to attain there size. Here are some examples of large dogs that you should not have ANY confusion over.

Coda Colbys Cloud 80 lbs
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1246053449.jpg

Coda Colbys Clipper 68 Lbs.
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/1246053415.jpg

OFK's Maverick 63 Lbs(58 pictured) and the weight he gained isnt fat LOL
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww39/danlee123456/P5050261.jpg

Aint no mix breeding going on in those pedigrees (well maybe except for those amstaffs with a W behind their name lol)

Weight dont mean much to me... standards are nice for the show ring... bottom line is if a dog can WORK it dont matter if he is 6' tall or weighs 200 lbs to me lol. proof is in the puddin.

[christySYK]

Personal taste I don't like to see a dog much over 40lbs.

But as long as its within the realms of the set standard I don't see a problem, also on the standards it says dog are allowed outside of the weight range as long as they are still proportionate.

I would say average size for most of the ABPTs I've come across is 40-45lbs.

[Dansgrizz]

I was thinking can every one take their dogs height and weight and then we can come up with a average size for male and female

axe male 19 1/2" tall 55lb

hen female 20 3/4" 59lb

Why dont you ask scott dowd? he is SOOO knowledgable about the conformation of the APBT and his matrix dogs are superb. Seeing the population here is only 120 something people and not all of us own APBTs i think the median of your averages will be skewed....

[Dansgrizz]

Personal taste I don't like to see a dog much over 40lbs.

But as long as its within the realms of the set standard I don't see a problem, also on the standards it says dog are allowed outside of the weight range as long as they are still proportionate.

I would say average size for most of the ABPTs I've come across is 40-45lbs.

I dont like to bend down that far to pet my dogs LOL i like um 50+

[smith family kennels]

my dogs range from 30lbs to 58lbs depending on how much I have worked them

[Dansgrizz]

Is that 1 dog ranging from 58 to 30? That's like 48% of there body weight...

[Leon]

She said dogs, so i would guess its not one dog.

[smith family kennels]

lmfao dan you know better hahah
i have one that is like 57 or 58 , 2 that are 53, 1 that is 45, 1 that is 43, 1 that is 35 and two that are 30

[allaboutpitbull]

ok every one is missing the point lol say in this form their is 500 members every one put down their males hight and weight same for females regarless of registry or blood line no american bullies just APBT and see the averge!! it dose not matter if you have a coby or a hemp just size and weight let the numbers come in and then we get the average i have thes same thread in 10 difernt forms.

[StaffyDaddy]

I dont like to bend down that far to pet my dogs LOL i like um 50+

:rofl: I agree.. I like mine 50lbs and up but to me it is about being well proportioned.. I just don't like the extremes too much... under 40 above 80

[StaffyDaddy]

ok every one is missing the point lol say in this form their is 500 members every one put down their males hight and weight same for females regarless of registry or blood line no american bullies just APBT and see the averge!! it dose not matter if you have a coby or a hemp just size and weight let the numbers come in and then we get the average i have thes same thread in 10 difernt forms.

youre basically contradicting yourself on this one buddy. REGARDLESS OF REGISTRY OR BLOODLINE... Well knowing some bloodlines throw small compact dogs and some monsters, and considering ckc will register anything I guess your average height is 14 inches - 30 inches and 40-150 lbs LMAO


*and like dan said, if there is only 120 of us on here, and some of us dont have apbts (ahemmm) your numbers are gonna come out all jacked up. plain and simple.

[smith family kennels]

ok are you wanting them measured to the wethers or to the top of their head?

[smith family kennels]

like mentioned before i dont know how your going to get a accurate set of numbers expecailly since it depends on what you consider a apbt. if your doing a true apbt from old game lines most of us dont have them most are mixed with some kind of amstaff. but here is mine

the height is measured to the top of the wethers by the way.

Bango: 22 months
weight: 53lbs Height:20 inches

Chester: 10 months
weight: 35lbs Height: 17 inches

Remi: 10 months
Weight: 43lbs Height: 17 inches

Houdini: 15 months
Weight: 53lbs Height: 19 inches

Dixie: 16 months
Weight: 38lbs Height: 18 inches

Diamond: 10 months
Weight: 30lbs Height: 15 inches

Tai: 5 years old
Weight: 30lbs Height: 16 inches

My Amstaffs:

Deigo: 6 years old
Weight: 57lbs Height: 17 inches

Yolanda: 2 years old
Weight is 45lbs Height: 18 inches


And of coarse weight can never be right when you have working dogs they will gain and lose muscle which weighs more than fat through the different seasons. Your going to have a hard time getting accurate numbers

[Killa_cali]

cali is 22inches and 65 lbs. when do they usually stop growing? she is going to be a year on the 6th

[versatile]

i think a 65-85 lb pitbull is ideal. i think as time goes on you will continue to see them get bigger. countries such as china, brazil, russia, pakistan, turkey, afghanistan, and mexico are completely changing the game. with monsters such as kangal, cao, bully kutta, dogos, and presa canarios u'll definitely see a surge in bigger pits.

[pitbullFriend]

The American Kennel Club doesn't officially recognize the American Pitbull Terrier as a breed it's rather a mixture of several bully type breeds. The National Kennel Club does however and they state an American Pitbull Terrier should be between 30-60 lbs for a male and 25 - 55 lbs for a female.

[versatile]

i go by adba (don't register with them but i adhere to their conformation standards) and they don't have a weight limit in their conformation standards to my knowledge. a 25-40lb dog couldn't stay on my yard......that's too small.

[Howardpit1]

I personally believe a good size for a well bred pit bull is 40-55 pounds. However, I have seen some good ones as little as 35 pounds and as big as 65 pounds. Anything bigger than 65 in shape is not a pit bull, IMO. To me that draws a red flag. The biggest dog I ever owned was my amstaff Magnus, he was 21 1/2 inches, and 65 fat, in the 50's conditioned. He would look like a giant when I took him to shows and other events. I would never want or need something bigger than that for anything. He was as proven in working sports as you could ever want, as far as I am concerned.

I have found in working dogs for close to twenty years, that big dogs do not have the longevity, nor athletic ability I like. Remember the apbt is supposed to be a medium size dog. 85 pounds is not medium, even 65 is pushing it. When people tell me they want a big pit bull for working, I tell them to get a american bulldog or bandog.

[versatile]

your right, most pitbulls don't go past 65 lbs. catchweight pit bulls do. hog catching pitbulls do. my bloodline is watchdog (large 75-80 lbs)x redboy jocko (45-55 lbs). it doesn't have to be the purest pitbull blood. it gets the job done. those small pitbulls are a thing of the past imho. my pups came out tall, rangy, above average bite, thick bones, long necks, good wrestlers, incredible wind and most of them (7 out of 10) were hot as fire. all the males pups were 65-75 lbs. the females were 50-60 lbs. the new breeds from overseas are getting ready to hit america hard and apbt must get bigger or they will become a memory. some people want the best dog at any weight. a little dog is great if that's what u want but when a big dog is off the leash and comes running my way i don't want to have to worry that i don't have enough time to save my dog.

[green machine]

I have to disagree with you Versatile. I think more ppl want the dogs for the true dogs they were back in the day. I dont think the little ones are a thing of the past at all.

Maybe for bully owners. But Watchdog, isnt a gamebred apbt line, correct me if im wrong.

[versatile]

I have to disagree with you Versatile. I think more ppl want the dogs for the true dogs they were back in the day. I dont think the little ones are a thing of the past at all.

Maybe for bully owners. But Watchdog, isnt a gamebred apbt line, correct me if im wrong.

tell my watchdog he isn't game bred. a lot of watchdog has gone bully, but not all of it. believe that if u want. gamebred is your parents.

[green machine]

ill go out on a limb here and say, that a "pitbull" that is 80lbs, I would venture to say has some blood from another breed bred into it.

[versatile]

i said watchdog might not be the purest pitbull bloodline.

[green machine]

theres no such thing. there is only ONE APBT, if it isnt "Pure" its not an APBT, and cant be considered such, Its a mutt. Not calling your dog a mutt just talking about the bloodline in general.

[versatile]

i love pit bull owners who think their line is superior. this is one of my tamer videos of my dog. i'll have to post some videos of him single handedly holding hogs. don't have many pics.

[versatile]

theres no such thing. there is only ONE APBT, if it isnt "Pure" its not an APBT, and cant be considered such, Its a mutt. Not calling your dog a mutt just talking about the bloodline in general.

funny thing for a moderator to say. if i speak my mind u'll ban me. i don't want any trouble.

[Leon]

funny thing for a moderator to say. if i speak my mind u'll ban me. i don't want any trouble.

As long as you don't break any forum rules, you can argue with anyone you wish, including forum staff. Just stick to the topic and avoid any personal stuff, and you should be fine.

[wheezie wayne]

Holy crap ! That dog is off the chain

[green machine]

thanks leon... we can disagree... no biggie. i dont think any bloodline is superior than another.

[quickfire]

OK In my opinion quality and size have very little to do with each other. A quality BRED APBT could be 30lbs could be a little over 60. I personally prefer the more gladiator athletic 30 to 55lb dog. If you breed the biggest specimens of the breed to over a period of time you are going to get bigger animals. However in the same breathe I do agree that most of the time the over 60lb dogs show signs of foreign blood. I personally think their are most definitely superior bloodlines out there at various different things. In a sporting breed I personally prefer an all around well balanced dog.

[smith family kennels]

bwahahaha rotflmfao. Im getting a kick out of this. This is funny as hell to me. Im sorry.


I own 9 dogs not a one of them is over 60 lbs. And they range from 30 lbs up including bloods like tnt, ofrn, redboy, jeep, boudreaux. I had two last year that were cottingham, and I own two amstaffs that are decidents from ruffian blood and I own one that is gaff and tnt. My 100% tnt bitch which comes from alot of watchdog stuff is 36lbs and she is 2 1/2 years old. But IMO I love the game bred lines. I like a smaller apbt that is small, quick, smart, and strong and loves to work. Not to mention I love the fire in the them. I have did some rescues in the past. One was 85 lbs and the other was more both fat could have dropped a few lbs but got winded way to easy, Had more problems with joints and etc. NOT to MENTION FEEDING OMG!!!! I have 9 dogs I go through 50 to 60lbs of food a week. One of those dogs went through half that in a week. Ridiculous.


So see everybody has their preference.

But this is funny to me I love to watch arguements that arent going to go anywhere. so continue.

[versatile]

OK In my opinion quality and size have very little to do with each other. A quality BRED APBT could be 30lbs could be a little over 60. I personally prefer the more gladiator athletic 30 to 55lb dog. If you breed the biggest specimens of the breed to over a period of time you are going to get bigger animals. However in the same breathe I do agree that most of the time the over 60lb dogs show signs of foreign blood. I personally think their are most definitely superior bloodlines out there at various different things. In a sporting breed I personally prefer an all around well balanced dog.

the superior line is always going to be a cross. the reason i said watchdog wasn't the purest is because i believe they added amstaff for size. inbreeding produces smaller dogs, outcross produces bigger.:cool:

[sw_df27]

gonna have to throw my 2 cents in about that last statement inbreeding does not make the dogs smaller I have a 85lb bitch that in severly inbreed her parents were inbreed and their parents were inbreed and they all got larger not gonna say you can't end up with smaller dogs inbreeding but it can go both way

also like to add this particular bitch is severly disformed and has alot of joint problems very bolegged

[quickfire]

Yeah but were the 2 parents of your 85 dogs related and at what coeffiency. If they were not related then it is considered an outcross. I have had mixed results with size and I generally get a consistant size when I line breed or inbreed. However when I have taken 2 heavily linebred or inbred specimens and outcrossed I have gotten larger animals. Just my experience and I will agree that generally speaking the inbred/and then outcrossed has created some of the most notable stongest specimens in my experience.

[sw_df27]

Yes they were related but these breeding were not done on purpose of by legit breeders either it was done by a bunch of BYB that didn't have any rhyme or reason to be breeding

the problem with my bitch I'm pretty sure there were never any out crossing in atleast 3 generations just strictly inbreeding

[jbh38]

I have to say, we have bigger dogs, and yes, if you linebreed too tight, you will come back to smaller dogs, but once you add an outcross, the size usually comes right back. Oh, and not all the dogs in the litter will be smaller, but the litters are usually inconsistent in size. One example, Matrix, who was Dagger, she was 55 lbs, her brother, he was 90, and they were tightly bred, not by us, but that is just the first example that came to mind.

Or Reno, he was around 80 lbs usually conditioned, we bred him to another female bred tight with the same lines about the same size as him, we came out with some dogs at 80-90 lbs and then there was Roxanne, 45 lbs wet. It just all depends.

[versatile]

I have to say, we have bigger dogs, and yes, if you linebreed too tight, you will come back to smaller dogs, but once you add an outcross, the size usually comes right back. Oh, and not all the dogs in the litter will be smaller, but the litters are usually inconsistent in size. One example, Matrix, who was Dagger, she was 55 lbs, her brother, he was 90, and they were tightly bred, not by us, but that is just the first example that came to mind.

Or Reno, he was around 80 lbs usually conditioned, we bred him to another female bred tight with the same lines about the same size as him, we came out with some dogs at 80-90 lbs and then there was Roxanne, 45 lbs wet. It just all depends.

that really is surprising about roxanne. dagger dogs usually are 80-110 lbs.

[versatile]

Yeah but were the 2 parents of your 85 dogs related and at what coeffiency. If they were not related then it is considered an outcross. I have had mixed results with size and I generally get a consistant size when I line breed or inbreed. However when I have taken 2 heavily linebred or inbred specimens and outcrossed I have gotten larger animals. Just my experience and I will agree that generally speaking the inbred/and then outcrossed has created some of the most notable stongest specimens in my experience.

this guy knows what he is talking about.

[jbh38]

that really is surprising about roxanne. dagger dogs usually are 80-110 lbs.

Matrix was Dagger, Roxanne is Dangerzone.

Not all Dagger are huge, there are some nice smaller ones out there, well 50-75 lbs, that are great pullers.

This is Matrix, I think she was 55 lbs here

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/jbh38/2007_1104hickory20070027.jpg

And I know my big dogs aren't average size, I do have my little ones too :)
Diamond is 39 lb conditioned, Little D is around 41 lbs and Enzo is 45 lbs, they are what I would consider standard size for a pit bull, but I do love the big dogs too. Come to our house and you get a little bit of every size...lol

[versatile]

dagger is the biggest line of all. it's not uncommon to see 120 pound dogs from dagger.

[jbh38]

dagger is the biggest line of all. it's not uncommon to see 120 pound dogs from dagger.

I know all about big Dagger dogs and they are known as a big line, but there are also smaller ones out there, I guess they are the throwbacks, but they are there and are great dogs too. A friend of ours, Don Taylor, owned Bone of Dagger, that is how we were introduced to the dagger line. We have had them for about 9 years now, none of ours have been the huge ones. We do have a male now that is around 100 lbs, he is mainly dagger and we have another male that is Dagger/Dangerzone that is around 88 lbs. Quite a few of the Dagger dogs out there pulling now are under 100 lbs.

[versatile]

I know all about big Dagger dogs and they are known as a big line, but there are also smaller ones out there, I guess they are the throwbacks, but they are there and are great dogs too. A friend of ours, Don Taylor, owned Bone of Dagger, that is how we were introduced to the dagger line. We have had them for about 9 years now, none of ours have been the huge ones. We do have a male now that is around 100 lbs, he is mainly dagger and we have another male that is Dagger/Dangerzone that is around 88 lbs. Quite a few of the Dagger dogs out there pulling now are under 100 lbs.

i think that over 85 lbs is too much for me. i condition my dogs hard and I think the heavier the dog, the faster it will gas out. i can't do weightpull because i think the heavy muscles makes your dog lose oxygen too fast. i hog hunt and i can't take a chance my dog will gas and let go. i bet that dagger/dangerzone came out nice.

[wheezie wayne]

Why not just use an American bulldog or another breed that works better in a pack ?

[versatile]

Why not just use an American bulldog or another breed that works better in a pack ?

my dogs consists of parents and puppies. as long as i don't bring my any of my two males together I won't have a problem. if another dog came over though, i would be in a world of trouble. my dogs know who the true alpha dog is. they respect my authority.....if your in the family.

[wheezie wayne]

I would love to see some videos of your dogs working. You also seem to knw a lot about the dagger line. can you tell me who there foundation dogs were

[versatile]

I would love to see some videos of your dogs working. You also seem to knw a lot about the dagger line. can you tell me who there foundation dogs were

i don't know much about dagger blood. i don't have that blood......in my experience every time some one has a dagger dog, it is 90-120 lbs. i looked for the foundation but it was unsuccessful. i am contemplating posting more videos.

[wheezie wayne]

Why contemplate?

[versatile]

i'm in an disagreement over a pup with my cousin and i'd have to call and ask him for the video. one of my best girls got stolen. in my opinion great girls are harder to come by than boys. he promised me he would raise her with my diet, a walk every day, she would live inside, and i could mate her with whomever i want. somehow she managed to get stolen.....i don't even know how this was possible. he knew everyone around wanted that blood. i got other videos but only one of my foundation male owning that hog (but he's wearing a vest). my cousin has that one. that's not a video i can come across often.

[versatile]

i think that over 85 lbs is too much for me. i condition my dogs hard and I think the heavier the dog, the faster it will gas out. i can't do weightpull because i think the heavy muscles makes your dog lose oxygen too fast. i hog hunt and i can't take a chance my dog will gas and let go. i bet that dagger/dangerzone came out nice.

i do however believe that dagger line makes excellent guard dogs and they can pull their a%*es off.