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APBTMOMMY
05-28-2009, 06:59 PM
How to Increase Your Pit Bulls Muscle Strength Naturally using Safe Conditioning Methods
By Jason Mann

Before we go any further I want to share with you some things you do not want to do while conditioning your Pit Bull.

Do Not: Put a heavy chain around your dog's neck. Not only is this ineffective it can damage your dogs neck or worse, cripple them for life. Bottom line, it's not smart.

Do Not: Tie your dog out using a huge logging chain. The reason is the same as above. It will break your dog down long before helping them in anyway.

Do Not: Put any kind of weights on them. Weight vests, weighted collars, and weighted harnesses are not proper strength building tools.

The Most Important Thing You Should Not Do is...
Try to condition a dog that is younger than 18 months of age.

Out of all the questions I receive the one that burns my chaps the most is when someone asks how to add weight, bulk up or add size to their 2-3-5-6 month old puppy. Ugh! They are puppies and they need to grow first!

Would you ask a 2-3 year old child to lift 30-40 pounds? Of course not! It would cause the child harm.

The same goes for puppies. Asking them pull weight or wear a chain or put a huge vest on them is silly. Even if the weight is 2-10 lbs it is still harmful.

You have to wait for the dog's joints and muscles to develop before putting any strain on them. If you do this too early you will cripple your dog.

Use Your Pit Bulls Natural Strength During Conditioning
Pit Bulls are naturally strong, athletic, and agile. Working with their natural abilities will help you condition your dog safely.

Start by hand walking, playing, and taking short jogs on grass or dirt to will help build up their stamina for more intense work down the road. If you fail to prepare your dog for the work your dog will fail to do the work. I can't stress this enough because Pit Bulls, while tough as nails on a whole, do need develop before they can really get into hard work.

People think conditioning is putting a huge chain on their dog and having them carry it around to build strength. This is not only wrong, it's cruel and stupid. I said it is wrong, cruel and stupid. I apologize for repeating myself but I want to make my opinion of this practice crystal clear.

Developing your Pit Bulls strength should be approached much the same way you would approach building your own strength. Developing high quality strength takes years to accomplish. Both for people and for Pit Bulls.

Lets talk about using weights in the conditioning process shall we...

How to Properly Use Weights While Conditioning Your Pit Bull
You want to start with light weight and then gradually move up to heavier weights.

When your Pit Bull reaches 18-24 months in age put them in a quality weight pull harness and have them drag 3-5 lbs for short distances while walking. This is where most weight pull trainers start their dogs. We are not going to get into weight pull training in this article but the benefits of this exercise carry over to building your dogs strength up.

Once they are dragging this weight easily then you can add one or two lbs of weight. Increasing the weight a couple of pounds will not kill your dog but you should remember that you need to go back to short distances until your dog is pulling the weight over longer distances without much trouble.

You do not want to increase the weight any more but instead increase the distance. The lazy way out is to add more weight while keeping the distances short. This will work but it increases the risk of injury and the likelyhood of your dog quitting the work. We want to avoid both of these issues so it's better to slowly increase the distance your dog pulls the weight. This will help conditioning two important elements and they are muscle and stamina.

Pit Bulls that Don't Have Stamina Will Not Build Strength or High Quality Muscle Tone
Pulling a lot of weight short distances is great if you are competing in weight pull but for building high quality muscle tone and overall strength pulling light weights (no more than 15 lbs) for long distances will develop a lean dog with superior wind, strength and beautiful muscle tone.

Think of the training in regards to an all around athlete like a tri-athlete. Someone who is strong but can run, swim, ride a bike, and do these things consistently well for hours on end. Now compare that to the power lifter that can lift 800 lbs three times and that is all.

Pit Bulls (aka American Pit Bull Terriers) are built like the tri-athlete. They are naturally strong so adding stamina will increase their ability to perform longer and more intense tasks than a power lifter type.

Another important reason for conditioning your Pit Bull in this fashion is because even power lifters break down and hurt themselves by lifting too much weight. Keeping the weights to reasonable amounts will help build your dog up and not break them down during the process.

Feed Your Pit Bulls Need for Conditioning
Pit Bulls are athletes. Plain and simple. If you take them out and walk with them, put a few light weights on them, have them play on the spring pole for 20-30 minutes a day and feed them with a high quality feed your Pit Bull will start to build strength and stamina.

Proper conditioning builds a beautiful Pit Bull and a Pit Bull in peak condition is truly a beautiful sight.

For more information about this topic visit the recommended resources below.

A Solid Pit Bull Conditioning Resource
Scott E. Dowd Phd has put together a great resource for Pit Bull Conditioning. You can check it out by clicking the blue highlighted words, "Pit Bull Conditioning" above.

I really like what Mr. Dowd has put together as it's built on common sense and sound principles.

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 08:24 PM
[QUOTE=APBTMOMMY;2057]

Do Not: Put any kind of weights on them. Weight vests, weighted collars, and weighted harnesses are not proper strength building tools.

[QUOTE]


So what are weight vests, weighted collars and weighted harnesses sold for?

APBTMOMMY
05-31-2009, 09:34 PM
Well I personally think that there is a difference between conditioning and body building. I think that the reason they sell them is to body build. (what people actually use them for I don't know)

Conditioning is what you would do when they reach the age of 18 months to get them ready for weights. Of course you want to wait til 18 months before jogging ,flirt pole, spring pole, etc.. Cause you really want to wait for there bones to finishing developing.

PullDawgPits
05-31-2009, 10:12 PM
What? No. I am sorry but I respectfully have to disagree. Waiting til 18 mos. for flirt pole? Cause why? they aren't allowed to run til then? That would be like telling your children "no honey, you can't go run and play your joints aren't finished developing" Not buying it.

Flirt pole is chasing a lure in a small area, spring pole is biting a rope, and no jogging? we are talking about APBT right? Please!

I am not even sure, was this guy referring to draq weighting? Drag weighting is not about how much weight can be pulled but about teaching the dog the proper body position for weight pull and for teaching the dog that if there is weight and he pulls it will move. Yes, after proper form is established then drag weights should be added but even then it isn't much weight and is still about conditioning not muscle building. Weight pullers aren't heavily muscled, they are lean muscle because that is the best muscle. This is why you can't steroid a dog into a weight pull champ, it has to be about heart, try and stamina.

Stephanie

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 10:17 PM
Well I personally think that there is a difference between conditioning and body building. I think that the reason they sell them is to body build. (what people actually use them for I don't know)

Conditioning is what you would do when they reach the age of 18 months to get them ready for weights. Of course you want to wait til 18 months before jogging ,flirt pole, spring pole, etc.. Cause you really want to wait for there bones to finishing developing.

Just to put some info out there. Many people believe after a dog is fulling grown it is unadvisable to do flirt poles because of the shifting and twisting of the body can offset there organs and cause pain and health problems. IMO flirtpole is for the puppies. I do appreciate the knowledge you are bestowing upon us PDP and APBTMOMMY

PullDawgPits
05-31-2009, 10:21 PM
I agree Dan, we hardly ever flirt pole with adult dogs, it is mostly for puppies and young dogs.

Stephanie

APBTMOMMY
05-31-2009, 10:24 PM
I do belive that there is a differnce between body building and conditioning.

I did say I THINK didnt say that it was a fact! I am still learning! I appericate the helpful information. Thanks

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 10:27 PM
Right on. I do agree with APBTMOMMY as far as some heavy heavy conditioning such as long distance runs and putting your dog in a competition where it could hurt itself on some big weight. This is a good guide for the owner who hasnt seen alot of dogs work and who isnt sure of there dogs ability. Might aswell take it slow while there young so youll have plenty of time to learn them when there older.

smith family kennels
05-31-2009, 10:28 PM
I would have to agree with pulldawgs and dan on the dragweighting and flirtpole aspect if we weighted until they were 18 months to start training we would never get them to pull. There is not use in doing big weight on a pup they cant compete until they are a year old anyways. You have to start young if your ever going to get them up to heavy weight. You never just throw heavy weight on a dog it takes alot of time and training for them to be able to pull heavy weight. The dogs you see pulling heavy weight didnt start doing that over night people that compete their dogs in weight pull spend hours apon hours training and conditioning these dogs to make them the best.

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 10:30 PM
I would have to agree with pulldawgs and dan on the dragweighting and flirtpole aspect if we weighted until they were 18 months to start training we would never get them to pull. There is not use in doing big weight on a pup they cant compete until they are a year old anyways. You have to start young if your ever going to get them up to heavy weight. You never just throw heavy weight on a dog it takes alot of time and training for them to be able to pull heavy weight. The dogs you see pulling heavy weight didnt start doing that over night people that compete their dogs in weight pull spend hours apon hours training and conditioning these dogs to make them the best.

i hurd it was 9 months for the ADBA. crazy as that may be.

smith family kennels
05-31-2009, 10:33 PM
yeah it is 9 months for the adba but you wont see people pushing there dogs that hard at that age they are in it for the long haul not just a few shows. That is mostly for track experience its gets the dog use to all the chaos on the track. Most of the time once the dog starts struggling the handler will pull them out

PullDawgPits
05-31-2009, 10:38 PM
It is 9 mos. and at 9 mos., most of ours have been lightly dragging for at least 6 weeks then we put em on the track on a empty cart, see if their mind is in the right place and pull em off for another 3 mos of dragging. At a year old then they can start pulling some weight but I personally don't let em just go hog wild and I will foul em out quick if they are struggling too much. Heck, Tutu is over 2 now and I still foul her out if she stops moving the cart, but she was on the track for the first time at 9 mos. and was winning by 14 mos.

I wouldn't understand a reason for muscle building in the APBT, I think alot of people don't understand what it takes for weight pull. It isn't muscle it is stamina and heart. The natural muscle of the dog is plenty.j

Stephanie

smith family kennels
05-31-2009, 10:39 PM
well said steph!

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 10:41 PM
ditto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what she said about what she said! lol

NATE
05-31-2009, 10:43 PM
dan your not the sharpest tool in the shed

Nizmo357
05-31-2009, 11:14 PM
dan, nate, i havent heard from you guys in forever

RoXy
05-31-2009, 11:32 PM
This is a great thread!

Leon
05-31-2009, 11:35 PM
One important part of conditioning is diet. So is it ok to control how much and what my puppy eats. I ask because i feed Czar the minimum food he needs (treats excluded), is that ok or it shouldn't matter? or is this bad?

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 11:38 PM
Why feed a puppy the minimum? he is at his maximum growth personally id let him free feed. Just me.

APBTMOMMY
05-31-2009, 11:40 PM
We let Brain eat when he wants it...He probably eats about 3 meals a day.

Leon
05-31-2009, 11:44 PM
I feed him little less than what it says in on the bag. I am taking him to the vet this coming Thursday, and hes getting a physical, so well see what the vet says, if i need to feed him more.

Dansgrizz
05-31-2009, 11:47 PM
No offense but vets dont know much about feeding... in my experience.

Leon
05-31-2009, 11:56 PM
I am not going to take his word as godsend, but as a educated opinion. After the physical, i should know more about his general health, and see if there is any complications due to his diet.

smith family kennels
06-01-2009, 06:11 PM
Personally, I would feed your pup alittle more than what the bag says. Now I dont mean over feed your dog but keep them healthy there are alot of problems that a pup can get if not fed properly. You pup needs the calcium and protein in their food and you risk joint, bone and other problems by not giving your pup the proper nutrients. Never feed less than what the bag says for your puppies weight and I say this cause not all puppy food contains the proper nutrients anyway so please dont worry about your pup getting fat its a puppy its suppose to be chubby. Feed that baby more

APBTMOMMY
06-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Good post.......sfk

NATE
08-09-2009, 11:44 AM
No offense but vets dont know much about feeding... in my experience.

i am calling bs that i don't know about vet's in cali
but my vet knows almost as much as me about game breed dog's and 3 x what i do about staffys

Dansgrizz
08-09-2009, 07:48 PM
i am calling bs that i don't know about vet's in cali
but my vet knows almost as much as me about game breed dog's and 3 x what i do about staffys

Your fortunate he's not telling you to spay/nueter and feed science diet lol

wheezie wayne
08-09-2009, 07:57 PM
Just to put some info out there. Many people believe after a dog is fulling grown it is unadvisable to do flirt poles because of the shifting and twisting of the body can offset there organs and cause pain and health problems. IMO flirtpole is for the puppies. I do appreciate the knowledge you are bestowing upon us PDP and APBTMOMMY

has there been any studys done on this or is this just some peoples theorys and opinions?

Dansgrizz
08-09-2009, 08:05 PM
That info is from Bobby Hall. It is meant for when a dog goes into a keep and starts to tighten up the gyrations of the dogs doing flirtpole can offset organs. It makes sense. That's where the info came from though, he worked alot of dogs so I take his advice and don't dabble in the flirt so much anymore.

Dansgrizz
08-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Another good conditioning tip is... For aslong as you take your dog to maximum stress you should cool them down for that long.

Example: I walk my dog to warm him up then put him on a mill for 6 minutes.... I'll go walk him to cool him down for another 6 minutes. it's a good rule of thumb so you cool your dog down properly.